Defence cuts could ground the Battle of Britain flight

the_boy_syrup

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#1
From the Mail do we take it with a pinch of salt or is it a warning that nothing is safe?
Are the RAF leaking this in an attempt to put a stop to it before it comes up in the cuts we are all expecting?


The Battle of Britain Memorial Flight faces the axe as the Ministry of Defence attempts to close a £6billion hole in its finances.

Senior RAF sources have warned that the flight could be cut on 'cost grounds' as the MoD is forced to make drastic savings in the next defence review.

An RAF Wing Commander said: 'Under the defence review now being conducted, the display teams could be cut. This is part of a cost benefit analysis going on in all MoD departments

'If the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight was to continue to operate as it currently does, it is feared it would need to attract private finance.'
The MoD has already made clear that the BBMF would not be allowed to be funded by private sponsorship or donations. Based at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, it costs the RAF up to £3million a year to run

The MoD has admitted that nothing has been ruled out of spending cuts for the financial year of 2011-12.
One source said there could be 'no sacred cows' in the spending reviews - suggesting that other much-loved displays such as the Red Arrows could also be at risk.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ound-Battle-Britain-flight.html#ixzz0cdRbRV6L
 
#2
Well all display teams are facing the same situation, at the end of the day and I would not decry the value of individual display teams - what in real terms does the BoB flight bring in terms of recruitment? We are short of money, more so than I dared to imagine would happen in my career. The priority has to be the front line (a loose term defining Operations) encompassing equipment and training backed up by recruitment. Unfortunately, those elements that are deemed not to be directly supporting the COE are not immediate priorities. I say this as a former display team member, I am sad to say.
 

the_boy_syrup

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#4
Joker said:
Well all display teams are facing the same situation, at the end of the day and I would not decry the value of individual display teams - what in real terms does the BoB flight bring in terms of recruitment? We are short of money, more so than I dared to imagine would happen in my career. The priority has to be the front line (a loose term defining Operations) encompassing equipment and training backed up by recruitment. Unfortunately, those elements that are deemed not to be directly supporting the COE are not immediate priorities. I say this as a former display team member, I am sad to say.
Were does it stop though?
The MOD haven't ruled anything out from spending cuts according to this piece in the Mail
If we focus purely on the front line then we could argue that we don't need horses or Red Tunics and Bearskins outside Buck House
£3 million in the big scheme of things isn't that much how much are the Lancaster,Spitfire and Hurricane worth in their own right ?
Should the MOD flog them off?
 
#5
I can tell you - you would be surprised. Let us just say that budget meetings are the flavour of the month and every little expense is under scrutiny, to the absolute detail.
 
#6
But, in these days of financial uncertainty can we really afford to pay for the Battle of Flight, red arrows and all the other display units. Sad as it may be to see them go perhaps it is necessary.
 
#7
Never in the field of human conflict, has so much been owed by so many to so few.

Does that phrase still mean anything today, it may just be a flight, but it's a lasting testamony to those few men.

Does 3million really mean that much, considering the amount off money thats going to go towards Haiti in the coming days.

Maybe i just fell in debt to those young men and personally i'd be quite happy for my taxes to keep those planes flying over the UK.
 
#8
British_And_Proud said:
Never in the field of human conflict, has so much been owed by so many to so few.

Does that phrase still mean anything today, it may just be a flight, but it's a lasting testamony to those few men.

Does 3million really mean that much, considering the amount off money thats going to go towards Haiti in the coming days.

Maybe i just fell in debt to those young men and personally i'd be quite happy for my taxes to keep those planes flying over the UK.
Hear Hear!
And how much do we send to India as foreign aid; for a country with nuclear weapons and a space program far in advance of ours?
 
#9
British_And_Proud said:
Never in the field of human conflict, has so much been owed by so many to so few.

Does that phrase still mean anything today, it may just be a flight, but it's a lasting testamony to those few men.

Does 3million really mean that much, considering the amount off money thats going to go towards Haiti in the coming days.

Maybe i just fell in debt to those young men and personally i'd be quite happy for my taxes to keep those planes flying over the UK.

AGREED..
 
#10
Does £3million really mean that much?
Try asking someone living under canvas for 6 months in Bastion or in one of the FOBs.

It might be sad to see commemrative flights go but it is a matter of priorities. We haven't kept squadons of bren gun carriers and chuchill tanks going, so I'm afraid the hard choices may have to be made.

As to the Red Arrows, I am afraid their recruiting role is a bit over-stated. On TV the other day they covered their tour to the USA - 9 aircaft, 49 support staff, nice trip, numerous airshows, nett recruitment?
 
#11
How much will be saved by those Old and Bold senior flying Officers who were pilots and are now 'flying" desks BUT who insist in getting time in the Typhoon et all to keep their ticket current?

Waste of cash as if "The type of War started where "they" would need to stand and be counted" well we would not have the aircraft to let them.

Total waste of cash- Bit like the last low flying ex out in Oman for the Jag pilots the month before the aircraft was chopped only cost a few million and a total waste of time. IMHO
 
#12
Herrumph said:
Does £3million really mean that much?
Try asking someone living under canvas for 6 months in Bastion or in one of the FOBs.

It might be sad to see commemrative flights go but it is a matter of priorities. We haven't kept squadons of bren gun carriers and chuchill tanks going, so I'm afraid the hard choices may have to be made.

As to the Red Arrows, I am afraid their recruiting role is a bit over-stated. On TV the other day they covered their tour to the USA - 9 aircaft, 49 support staff, nice trip, numerous airshows, nett recruitment?
I thought their was an argument that the Reds and the BoBMF generated income by appearing at displays etc?
 
#13
'then we could argue that we don't need horses' - they are already arguing that such 'tourist attractions' should be financed by whatever department deals with tourism. As was mentioned in the article, 3 million is peanuts compared to the bonuses showered on the MoD civvies last year.
 
#14
Aren’t the Reds mooted as a savings measure in every spending round, in the belief that no politician will have the courage to actually bin them?

C_C
 
#16
Chop 8 Reds. Put remaining one on low-loader. Link up with good interactive video game - it would attract more kids and fewer sad old aircraft spotters.
 
#17
When I attended the Junior Officers Command Course at RAF Henlow years ago, the question of the Reds came up. To a man we all voted that they should go, wherupon a V Sen Air Officer informed us that the majority of overseas displays are paid for by the overseas nation and that the Reds did not cost that much. Whether this was b*****t or not I never found out. But I had a mate on the Reds Red 2 back in 2003/4 and he did say that the majority of 'trips' were paid for by the country they displayed it. So take your choice.
 
#18
Save three million quid?

Cut down MP's expenses, and bonuses in the civil service, job done.

It is part and parcel, if serious of this government's erosion of anything that defines Britain as a whole, let alone our history. Now if the BBMF was rebranded as the 'We apologise for bombing Germany flight.' I would expect to see a year on year increase in the funding.
 
#19
Yesterday it was the leaked USI report, today the grounding of the BB flight, this is just the spindoctors seting up the press for when the real cuts arrive later in the budget
 
#20
Wow, the daily mail has started making things up early this year!

Given that PR10 is done, and that the Future Defence Review hasn't actually started, I'd be fascinated to learn what particular round of cuts they're talking about. How can you have an option being staffed for a process that isn't underway yet?

This is "sqn ldr Biggles on the lash with a mucker" and not a genuine plan. As usual the Mail reports it as fact.
 

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