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Deer Hunting

#1
Having served as an infantry soldier on Telic and Herrick, I'm not particularly squeamish about shooting things. However, I've spent a lot of time in the US recently and I'm starting to develop a complex about the so-called 'sport' of deer hunting.

I have two main issues with it:


  1. The idea of hunting deer as a sport. I have no problem with hunting for subsistence. I also have no problem with hunting to limit the population of a certain species. I do have a problem with the idea of killing an intelligent animal for entertainment.
  2. The activity that surrounds and supports it. Often, population control is put forward as the reason or excuse. In actuality, many states deliberately keep deer populations at a level that encourages hunting (as it brings in a huge amount of money). Some private clubs actually breed the animals for no other reason than to be hunted.

At the risk of sounding like a self-righteous protester type, I can't help but wonder about the psychology of people who use modern weapons to kill defenceless animals for pleasure.
 
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PrinceAlbert

Guest
#5
And if you bung them a few quid after you'd be "Good Will Hunting
I did that to some German slapper from Gutersloh once. She chased me down the road half naked wanting blood.

I thought it was quite funny.

She still came back the week after for round 2. The slut.
 
#6
Having served as an infantry soldier on Telic and Herrick, I'm not particularly squeamish about shooting things. However, I've spent a lot of time in the US recently and I'm starting to develop a complex about the so-called 'sport' of deer hunting.

I have two main issues with it:


  1. The idea of hunting deer as a sport. I have no problem with hunting for subsistence. I also have no problem with hunting to limit the population of a certain species. I do have a problem with the idea of killing an intelligent animal for entertainment.
  2. The activity that surrounds and supports it. Often, population control is put forward as the reason or excuse. In actuality, many states deliberately keep deer populations at a level that encourages hunting (as it brings in a huge amount of money). Some private clubs actually breed the animals for no other reason than to be hunted.

At the risk of sounding like a self-righteous protester type, I can't help but wonder about the psychology of people who use modern weapons to kill defenceless animals for pleasure.
Do you feel the same about those who work in an abattoir?
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#7
Having served as an infantry soldier on Telic and Herrick, I'm not particularly squeamish about shooting things. However, I've spent a lot of time in the US recently and I'm starting to develop a complex about the so-called 'sport' of deer hunting.

I have two main issues with it:


  1. The idea of hunting deer as a sport. I have no problem with hunting for subsistence. I also have no problem with hunting to limit the population of a certain species. I do have a problem with the idea of killing an intelligent animal for entertainment.
  2. The activity that surrounds and supports it. Often, population control is put forward as the reason or excuse. In actuality, many states deliberately keep deer populations at a level that encourages hunting (as it brings in a huge amount of money). Some private clubs actually breed the animals for no other reason than to be hunted.

At the risk of sounding like a self-righteous protester type, I can't help but wonder about the psychology of people who use modern weapons to kill defenceless animals for pleasure.
I shoot targets for entertainment, I shoot deer because I like venison. :hungry:

Think of it as the ultimate in free range farming if it makes you feel better.
 
#10
Likewise. When I shoot something its either because its a pest/vermin (magpies/crows/squirrels) so that the local songbird poppulation can recover, or because I want to eat the most organic/fresh meat that I can (vension/rabbit/phesants/wood-pigeons).

Any one who easts chicken nuggets or cheap processed sausages is not allowed in my house!
 
#13
Having served as an infantry soldier on Telic and Herrick, I'm not particularly squeamish about shooting things. However, I've spent a lot of time in the US recently and I'm starting to develop a complex about the so-called 'sport' of deer hunting.

I have two main issues with it:


  1. The idea of hunting deer as a sport. I have no problem with hunting for subsistence. I also have no problem with hunting to limit the population of a certain species. I do have a problem with the idea of killing an intelligent animal for entertainment.
  2. The activity that surrounds and supports it. Often, population control is put forward as the reason or excuse. In actuality, many states deliberately keep deer populations at a level that encourages hunting (as it brings in a huge amount of money). Some private clubs actually breed the animals for no other reason than to be hunted.

At the risk of sounding like a self-righteous protester type, I can't help but wonder about the psychology of people who use modern weapons to kill defenceless animals for pleasure.
I live in a rural environment, every animal bred on the farms around here are bred to be killed: the dairy farms dont even allow the male calves to live longer than a few hours. The anti veal crowd saw to that.

Get over it, killing is part of biological existence.
 
#16
Far be it from you to be self righteous type...

Having seen the vast herds of wild deer travelling the Scottish Highlands and the fact that most (all) of the land is so private and the gun laws are so tight over there (im in Aus now) and only a small minority get to hunt (the more well off or those dedicated as a rule), from what I have seen there is more sport (but still its for entertainment), if they are wild and have a chance (they have better eyes and smell) its more of a sport.

I tried to stalk stags when I was up there walking, if I got close enough to get a decent camera shot I would prefer that any day to killing it and I think the results were better than the majestic beasts head on a mahogany board, but if someone else wants to kill it, for me thats their business.

I suppose my thoughts are, I fish in fisheries, I fish in wild salmon/trout rivers in Scotland and now Tasmania, I prefer the wild fishing, I release all but 1 fish if we are going to eat one and never take from fisheries. Its not a modern weapon but fisheries are like shooting fish in a barrel or deer in a pen.

I dont mind deer hunting or hare/rabbit coursing or fox hunting or pheasant shooting.

There used to be deer walking around the bothies so tame you could kill with a baseball bat, obviously no sport and only someone psychotic would do, I wouldnt class this as deer hunting.

I dislike badger bating with a passion.

I hate commercial fisherman (imagine if farmers could just roam the earth raping it, oh they did an everything died, now they have to farm).

I cant comment on America as I have never been out of Washington DC but I can imagine the senseless slaughter of deer in 4x4 and .50 caliber is not sport at all and to be honest, if we had gun laws like theirs and as much space...all the Pikeys would..it scares me!

I struggle with hypocratic beliefs cos on some hands, I do like the sport/hunt on others, I dont agree.

There was a programme on a safari park in africa where they bred rare animals, lured them to a watering hole where someone with cash and hiding in a camo platform could kill a tiger (or other stuff) with a bow and arrow from 5 meters. Sick and pathetic, but the alternative, they would have paid someone else to help them kill a wild one, probably drugged it so it was an easier shot too!

What was the hunting you saw in US?
 
#17
I live in a rural environment, every animal bred on the farms around here are bred to be killed: the dairy farms dont even allow the male calves to live longer than a few hours. The anti veal crowd saw to that.

Get over it, killing is part of biological existence.
Killing isn't the issue. Killing for defence or subsistence is fine. Killing for population control is fine.

Dressing up like you're deploying to Vietnam and killing intelligent animals for pleasure is what I take issue with. Breeding animals so that others can pay you to get their kicks that way is just as sick.
 

Alsacien

MIA
Moderator
#18
Killing isn't the issue. Killing for defence or subsistence is fine. Killing for population control is fine.

Dressing up like you're deploying to Vietnam and killing intelligent animals for pleasure is what I take issue with. Breeding animals so that others can pay you to get their kicks that way is just as sick.
I don't know any hunter who kills simply for the pleasure of killing, in fact such a trait would likely prevent firearms ownership.

Breeding animals for food is a normal human activity. Assuming the animals are cared for and well treated, then at some point humanely dispatched, you should have no problem with it.
 

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