Deeply sad question regarding SMLE rifle markings.

Dear arrse,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’ve recently purchased a deactivated SMLE as a wall-hanger and had a question regarding the markings. Pics attached. The auction description and the rifle’s own markings suggest a No1 Mk3*. However the rifle contains features more in common with a vanilla pre * model; namely magazine cutoff, volley sights (partially removed) and windage adjustment (also modified).

Stupid question: would the markings have been changed post modification indicating an old rifle updated to * configuration? Or is it possible I’ve got a Frankenstein gun from varying sources?

Thanks I’m advance.

Billy
 

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Looks like a genuine 11.3 Mausenfield Carcarno single shot magazine long carbine as issued to the Japanese navy in the Boer war.
Laugh but the IJN did have Italian Carcanos for its landing forces made by Brecia and Beretta

the Type I

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For frankenrifle questions, you need @stoatman
 

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LE
Dear arrse,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I’ve recently purchased a deactivated SMLE as a wall-hanger and had a question regarding the markings. Pics attached. The auction description and the rifle’s own markings suggest a No1 Mk3*. However the rifle contains features more in common with a vanilla pre * model; namely magazine cutoff, volley sights (partially removed) and windage adjustment (also modified).

Stupid question: would the markings have been changed post modification indicating an old rifle updated to * configuration? Or is it possible I’ve got a Frankenstein gun from varying sources?

Thanks I’m advance.

Billy


Ok, what you have there is a typical de-act thrown together out of random parts.

The receiver has markings of a common type, we collectors refer to as "star barred out". The rifle was originally built as a No1 MkIII, with cut off and volley sights. In 1916, however, a new simplified model No1 MkIII* was approved that dropped the cut off and volley sights. MkIIIs in the factory and being rebuilt from battle damage had a "*" stamped next to the "III" and were sent back into service without the cut-off and with a plain forend.

Post-war, the cut off was brought back as part of the official rifle specification, although the volley sights were not reintroduced. Many MkIII* with the added * were re-converted back again. The * was then lined out, in normal military fashion.

A windage adjustable rearsight would have been on the original MkIII, but was probably binned and replaced by the later fixed type. You can see if it has a matching number on the underside of the leaf.

The forend on your rifle with the volley sight disk is therefore a later spurious addition. Probably added by the de-actor to add value.

p.s. if the forend is in decent condition, then it should be swapped for a non-volley sight version and should be used to restore an actual unmodified MkIII (lol, like the ten 1907-14 barrelled actions I happen to have in my safe!).
 

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