Deepcut revisited

#2
The place was a first class shit hole led by disinterested officers & SNCO's & bullying JNCO's, with a distasteful hierarchy amongst the longer serving recruits. What more do they need to look into?

Everytime I went there on a course, I was shocked how de-moralised and chaotic the place was. Feral recruits left to fester 'awaiting a course' at Leconsfield or elsewhere, just turning to drug and alcohol abuse, bullying of younger/junior recruits and huge prevalence in AWOL cases.

Being Guard Commander at Deepcut to several recruits who weren't allowed to handle weapons due to one outstanding (substance abuse) charge or another didn't feel me with optimism to the future of the Corps.
 
#5
The place was a first class shit hole led by disinterested officers & SNCO's & bullying JNCO's, with a distasteful hierarchy amongst the longer serving recruits. What more do they need to look into?

Everytime I went there on a course, I was shocked how de-moralised and chaotic the place was. Feral recruits left to fester 'awaiting a course' at Leconsfield or elsewhere, just turning to drug and alcohol abuse, bullying of younger/junior recruits and huge prevalence in AWOL cases.

Being Guard Commander at Deepcut to several recruits who weren't allowed to handle weapons due to one outstanding (substance abuse) charge or another didn't feel me with optimism to the future of the Corps.
Well that's the Driver trade for you.
 
#7
Dare I say that some lawyers have been making money from this scam for 20 years now. Lazy journalism has also helped perpetuate myths - similar problems were experience elsewhere but who the hell wants to travel all the way to North Yorkshire to take a few snaps of ITC Catterick.
 
#8
#10
If that was aimed at me Ding, I was never a Driver.

Honk Honk!
Why would I aim to insult you individually when I can insult several thousand in the same space?

Besides I'd never insult the brethren of stacker1.
 
#11
Besides I'd never insult the brethren of stacker1.
You could do, but you'd have a mighty confusing argument on your hands

 

Gout Man

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#14
Four deaths at the same establishment in seven years?

I don't know the details of the cases and from what I've read neither did the coroners court who delivered the open verdict.

So what I'm saying is just put aside the arguments of wether these individuals were murdered or not. The actual running of that establishment must have been atrociously bad for this to have happened, I mean to say the majority on here have been through basic training and many years ago it was extremely hard and beasting, bullying call if what you want was very prevalent. However as far as I'm aware no one committed suicide at The Guards Depot, or was murdered, and without doing a major search on the web I can't off the top of my head think of any other Army establishment where this sort of thing has happened.
Yes that young lady from the RMP committed suicide but I'm talking about Deepcut and the way it must have been ran.
How many CO's were there during his period? The discipline must have been non existent for there have to been such an atmosphere where four young people committed suicide or worse.
It truly is a sorry state of affairs.
 

Gout Man

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Book Reviewer
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#19
Dare I say that some lawyers have been making money from this scam for 20 years now. Lazy journalism has also helped perpetuate myths - similar problems were experience elsewhere but who the hell wants to travel all the way to North Yorkshire to take a few snaps of ITC Catterick.
You may wish to read Nicholas Blake's Report on the four deaths. The regime there is analysed and makes for uncomfortable reading.

I cannot remember whether it was this, or another report which dealt in some details in relation to the abuse of power by the then RSM who appears to have been something of a sexual predator.

Edited to add:

It was Regimental Sergeant Major 'Z' at 6.131 onwards
 
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I can´t believe that recruits were given live ammo on simple guard duty,especially after the 1st suicide,a trained soldier if there was an alert or threat on at the time OK,sorry, I´ve been out a long time but recruits were never trusted with live ammo outside a range in my time.
Stinks to high heaven and It´s just a shame that the cretins who were responsible for these tragedies and horrendous managemant have got away with it for 20 years.I hope they get banged up for a long time.
 

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