Deepcut - Here we go again :-(

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Deepcut deaths investigation 'failed to follow leads'

Privates Benton, James, Gray and Collinson, who all died at Deepcut
Detectives investigating the deaths of four soldiers at the Deepcut barracks failed to follow vital leads, according to a report seen by the BBC.

Four soldiers died in unclear circumstances at the Surrey army base between 1995 and 2002.

The Devon and Cornwall Police report said Surrey Police's probe into the deaths did not properly consider a list of hypothetical suspects.

Surrey Police said they had considered all possibilities for the deaths.

'Unknown white male'
Privates Sean Benton, Cheryl James, Geoff Gray and James Collinson all died from gun shot wounds. A coroner recorded a verdict of suicide for Pte Benton - but the inquests into the other three returned open verdicts. At the time of the deaths, there were allegations of bullying at the barracks.
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BBC News - Deepcut deaths investigation 'failed to follow leads'

Come on down, 'expert' Frank Swann!
 
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"Operation Stanza [the review] believes insufficient investigative work took place to identify this unknown male who could have potentially been a suspect."
This unknown male manage to take an SA80 of four different soldiers before shooting them in the head over a 7 year period?

There was overwhelming evidence that Benton was a fruit loop who topped himself and Cheryl was having family problems, (largely ignored by the press). Still, a mystery gets more viewers.
 
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Deepcut deaths investigation 'failed to follow leads'

Privates Benton, James, Gray and Collinson, who all died at Deepcut
Detectives investigating the deaths of four soldiers at the Deepcut barracks failed to follow vital leads, according to a report seen by the BBC.

Four soldiers died in unclear circumstances at the Surrey army base between 1995 and 2002.

The Devon and Cornwall Police report said Surrey Police's probe into the deaths did not properly consider a list of hypothetical suspects.

Surrey Police said they had considered all possibilities for the deaths.

'Unknown white male'
Privates Sean Benton, Cheryl James, Geoff Gray and James Collinson all died from gun shot wounds. A coroner recorded a verdict of suicide for Pte Benton - but the inquests into the other three returned open verdicts. At the time of the deaths, there were allegations of bullying at the barracks.
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BBC News - Deepcut deaths investigation 'failed to follow leads'

Come on down, 'expert' Frank Swann!
I heard they all topped themselves because they were told they'd be sharing a room with Stacker. Nothing confirmed mind.
 
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He used to post on here. Your assessment is correct though. A charlatan of the first order.
 
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I was sick to the back *&%#-ing teeth of the vast amounts of complete and utter BaLL*cks being talked about this nonsense the last time around, much more of it and I would have been found at the top of a tall building with a high-powered rifle to be honest. I genuinely hoped that the publication of the Deepcut Report a few years back (which I urge all interested parties to read) would put an end to it all. Obviously I was wrong.
We now have feckin '"Deepcut Resurrection" to contend with it seems (if that's not too near the mark?) as some poxy report criticizes Surrey Police for not dotting the "i's" and crossing the "T's".

Jesus #*%$-ing Wept!
 
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The Devon and Cornwall Police report said Surrey Police's probe into the deaths did not properly consider a list of hypothetical suspects.
Ahh - The much sought after role of Senior Investigating Officer in a "Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda Witch Hunt."

I wonder what the un-initiated make of this. Turn up nothing in your investigation and you've wasted months/years and budget money. Produce a sh1t storm and point out the mistakes made by another and it was all worth while and the destructive effect you have on somebodies reputation/career has the equal and opposite impact on your own.
 
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I hear that when each of the bodies were found, they were coated in hundreds and thousands..................................... clearly they 'topped' themselves.
 
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Not again. There is never going to be any new evidence to come to light regarding this, and any evidence which could have been important at the time was lost or not investigated, not due to a cover up but just shoddy actions.

I actually feel sorry for these parents, because even after all this time the are still seeking answers to a conclusion that just can't be reached, not one that will satisfy them anyway. They are held in limbo by grief and that pratt Frank doesn't help them by manipulating their emotions for his own gain. He truly is an unpleasant lowlife.
 
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I heard they all topped themselves because they were told they'd be sharing a room with Stacker. Nothing confirmed mind.
I wouldnt have minded sharing with Cheryl.
 
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I did nearly all guards with a pick axe handle except for Site Guards with SLR and loaded mag fitted or SMG, or weapon on guard when there was an alert on and then the ammo was in the Guardroom.
It was a long time ago but I still don´t understand why a 17 year old recruit was given a rifle and ammunition to guard a training camp and being on his own.The biggest threat would have been drunk squaddies climbing over the fence as a short cut to bed and slotting them would have been a bit harsh?
No wonder the parents are wondering WTF was going on?
 
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Another case of keep on going until you get the answer that you want (rather than the real one). Similarities with Bloody Sunday, Hillsborough and soon to be any number of Operation Yewtree events.
 
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It was a long time ago but I still don´t understand why a 17 year old recruit was given a rifle and ammunition to guard a training camp and being on his own.
That's one of the things that's always bothered me in the media stories.
Not why they were on guard with weapons, why do they keep getting referred to as recruits?
If they're at Deepcut then they've passed phase one so they're not recruits. They might not have completed their trade training but their military training was complete. I don't know about these individual cases but a fair number of soldiers at Deepcut have finish all of their training and would just be waiting for their posting order to a working unit.
The whole 'Deepcut recruits' thing just seem to me to be lazy journalism designed to invoke images of child soldiers picking up a weapon for the first time and being shoved on a gate on their own.
Again, not accurate from my memory. When I stagged on at Deepcut you was never on your own no matter which stag you pulled. All the gates and prowler were guarded in pairs except the main gate which was a single stag watched over by the MPGS.
 
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Just been reading the report on Benton and Cheryl. (I was there few weekes after Benton & in training with Cheryl, knew Pte AA or AB) "edited - was in report"
The Royal way gate was manned by 1 sentry due to manning restraints (in report)
 
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You all seem to have conveniently short memories. The reason Deepcut keeps reappearing is because for nearly a decade the MoD and the Army consistently failed to openly investigate in a manner where those involved could both see all the evidence and be confident in the conclusions. Even when it finally did investigate in a quasi-independent fashion, it then refused to publish. All the legitimate MoD tropes about why it is necessary to have a closed investigation (national security, source protection, revelation of TTPs etc) clearly don't apply to a P2 training establishment. Those findings that were gradually published further undermined any trust the interested parties might have had in the institution, both in the running of the place and management of the investigation(s).

It's pretty simple. The families don't trust the institutional answer because the institution hasn't demonstrated itself worthy of trust. Even measures to address this such as the Blake review were then undermined by a failure to publish, apparently encouraged by the MoD habit of suppressing embarrassing news.

There are plenty of "campaigning families" who I disagree with, notably those who object to the fact that their family members were killed doing the job they freely signed up to do, who have pushed for uninformed legal judgments with hugely damaging effects on the Armed Forces. The journalists and families from the Deepcut case are not among them. They exposed a culture which should never have been allowed, should have been fixed internally by the Army, but sadly required external pressure to admit, and produced positive change. I'd say they've earned some leeway.
 
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Just been reading the report on Benton and Cheryl. (I was there few weekes after Benton & in training with Cheryl, knew Pte AA or AB) "edited - was in report"
The Royal way gate was manned by 1 sentry due to manning restraints (in report)
I take it by Royal way gate you mean the side one to the pads estate?
When I was there it was manned by two sentries, as it was only open for a few hours a day so it was manned by whichever pair was due to be on prowler at that time.
 

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