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We live during interesting times. French Champagne can not be called Champagne in Russia and French leading suppliers agree with it.
French winegrowers jealously guard the designation "champagne" for the output of the region of the same name, and shun other descriptions.
But the law, signed by President Vladimir Putin on Friday, requires all non-Russian producers of sparkling wine, including the French to describe their product as such in Russia on the label on the back of the bottle, although not on the front.
Makers of Russian "shampanskoye" may continue to use that term alone.
Due to big number of corrupted officials and crooked 'businessmen' Russian Champagne market is very important and profitable for the French.
Moet Hennessy, which sells the Moet & Chandon, Veuve Clicquot and Dom Perignon champagnes and belongs to the LVMH (LVMH.PA) group, said it had been forced to suspend deliveries to change its labels.
"The MH Champagne Maisons have always respected the legislation in force wherever they operate, and will resume deliveries as quickly as possible once these adjustments are made," it said in an emailed statement.
I suspect that soon the Cognac producers from France will sell it in Russia as French brandy.
 
We live during interesting times. French Champagne can not be called Champagne in Russia and French leading suppliers agree with it.



Due to big number of corrupted officials and crooked 'businessmen' Russian Champagne market is very important and profitable for the French.

I suspect that soon the Cognac producers from France will sell it in Russia as French brandy.


Probably a good story for domestic consumption, but not really a good look on the international stage. Sort of thing you'd expect to see from North Korea or some other basket case country.
 
Probably a good story for domestic consumption, but not really a good look on the international stage. Sort of thing you'd expect to see from North Korea or some other basket case country.
Russian ruling elites and ordinary Russians live on different planets.
The Governor of the Kaliningrad Region, Anton Alikhanov, has apologized to Oksana Maytakova - a reporter from the New Kaliningrad newspaper - after he told her to “back off” when she asked him a question. He sent her flowers and champagne worth $300.
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Mr.Alikhanov - 34yo governor of Kaliningrad area.
It should be said that minimal monthly salary in Russia is about $170 now.
The journalist sold the bottle on the charity auction to help children.
 
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Point of order, they agreed to it not with it.

Very different meaning in English.
Thanks. Indeed French producers of Champagne have to agree to this absurd requirement that contradicts to common sense.
Russian authorities made an offer that they can't refuse.
 

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Thanks. Indeed French producers of Champagne have to agree to this absurd requirement that contradicts to common sense.
Russian authorities made an offer that they can't refuse.
As a point of order the French term is redundant in this as the only people who can produce champagne are French so it should read "Indeed producer of Champagne".

Follow the money.
 
As a point of order the French term is redundant in this as the only people who can produce champagne are French so it should read "Indeed producer of Champagne".

Follow the money.

You mean like the following?
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The second one above is sold at Walmart stores among other places in the US.

American "champagne" has a reputation for being so utterly crap that a number of wine companies in the US avoid using the name not because they want to avoid offending French sensibilities, but rather to avoid being associated in customer's minds with the American brands that do use the term.

If the Americans will sell "American Champagne" then I don't find it too surprising that the Russians will sell "Russian Champagne".
 
Russian "Champagne" has a long history (more than 2 centuries).
Russian Tsar Pavel I first brought together Crimean vines and French master Champagne-makers but it was a Russian aristocrat, Prince Golitsyn, who established the first economically successful Russian sparkling wine at Abrau-Dyurso. So successful was Golitsyn that in 1900 at the Paris World Fair, Novy Svet champagne defeated all the French entries to claim the internationally coveted 'Grand Prix de Champagne'.
In Soviet times
...the government asked the Russian wine-makers to devise a recipe for a new 'champagne for the people' that would be cheap, quick to produce and accessible to the working masses. The new brand, named "Sovetskoye Shampanskoye", was created in 1928
The "father" of the new technology was Anton Frolov-Bagreyev (ru), a former employee of Prince Golitsyn at Abrau-Dyurso.
The technology of production was further improved and made more economical in 1953 by Professor Georgy Agabalyanc
Taste of "Sovetskoye Shampanskoye" from my point of view is not worse than taste of Spanish Cava for example.
In 1975 Moët & Chandon bought a licence for production of sparkling wine by Soviet method.
Producers of Spanish Cava use original French technology of manufacturing while technology developed in Soviet times is quite different.
 
Russian "Champagne" has a long history (more than 2 centuries).

In Soviet times



Taste of "Sovetskoye Shampanskoye" from my point of view is not worse than taste of Spanish Cava for example.

Producers of Spanish Cava use original French technology of manufacturing while technology developed in Soviet times is quite different.
That’s nice, sparkling wine has been credited to England as far back as 1662, Benedictine monks in 1531, the Champagne method officially documented in 1662 which ties in with the English version and the English bottle production that wouldn’t break under pressure





 
Russian "Champagne" has a long history (more than 2 centuries).

In Soviet times



Taste of "Sovetskoye Shampanskoye" from my point of view is not worse than taste of Spanish Cava for example.

Producers of Spanish Cava use original French technology of manufacturing while technology developed in Soviet times is quite different.


Russian champagne certainly had an unsettling affect on Flashman.
 
Russian "Champagne" has a long history (more than 2 centuries).
Yes, but it is sparkling wine as it is not made in the Champagne region. You can call it champagne-style, or all sorts of variants, but it's not really Champagne. There are better sparkling wines than Champagne anyway.
 
Yes, but it is sparkling wine as it is not made in the Champagne region. You can call it champagne-style, or all sorts of variants, but it's not really Champagne. There are better sparkling wines than Champagne anyway.
Agreed. For a great combination of taste and value, you can't beat a good Crémant de Loire!

Though when it comes to Champers, I do have a penchant for Veuve Clicquot.
 
Back to more serious issues:

Russia-based cybercriminals strike again:

What percentage of the criminals take are Putin and his gang of "Siloviki" skimming off as protection money?
 
Babycham (is it still a thing?) used to describe itself as 'The Champagne perry'.

Those were the days when the drinks were cheap and so were the women.
 
Babycham (is it still a thing?) used to describe itself as 'The Champagne perry'.

Those were the days when the drinks were cheap and so were the women.
Still around - it can be found in shops, but no one would appear to be openly drinking it

Perhaps it’s the tipple of the discerning council estate as an alternative to white lighting
 

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he Kremlin is screwing up on Covid and as usual the primary victims are the Russian peoples. The "Muscovite Mindset" in action:
 
Spotted this in the Moscow times:

Ukrainian Soldier Killed, Three Wounded as Tension Mounts​

By AFP
2 hours ago

The Ukrainian army said on Saturday that a soldier had been killed and three others wounded in the country's pro-Russian separatist east, amid rising tensions in the conflict-torn region.

It was the fourth Ukrainian soldier killed in the past week.

The wounded soldiers were being treated in hospital and their injuries not life-threatening, the army said.

Ukrainian positions on the frontline had been targeted by artillery, mortars, grenade launchers and machine gun fire, it said on Facebook.

"Over the past two weeks, there has been an increasing number of ceasefire violations," the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), which is deploying hundreds of observers to the zone, said on Thursday.

Link to full article:

Ukrainian Soldier Killed, Three Wounded as Tension Mounts - The Moscow Times
 
he Kremlin is screwing up on Covid and as usual the primary victims are the Russian peoples. The "Muscovite Mindset" in action:
Yes, an article yesterday said only 19% had received at least one dose of vaccine. Latest from The Moscow Times clearly shows the current wave.
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Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News | July 10 - The Moscow Times
 
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Yes, an article yesterday said only 19% had received at least one dose of vaccine.
Gen question, is it that the vaccines are not available or that the uptake is low?
 
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