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Goatman

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one for the linguists:

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Russian version:

Петиция о международном расследовании отравления Алексея Навального в августе 2020 года.

Подпишите петицию, чтобы потребовать от властей Европейского Союза, США, Канады, Великобритании санкционировать и координировать немедленное и тщательное расследование отравления Алексея Навального.

20 августа 2020 года известный российский оппозиционер Алексей Навальный был отравлен и впал в кому. Отравление неугодных Кремлю общественно-политических деятелей систематически применяется во время правления Путина. Варварское и бесчеловечное использование ядов против политических оппонентов имеет одну цель - заставить замолчать оппозицию. Путинский режим грубо попирает права человека и уничтожает тех, кто несет демократические перемены для России. Безнаказанность режима порождает новые преступления.

Мы уверены, что в существующих условиях в России это преступление не будет честно и беспристрастно расследовано.

Пожалуйста, подпишите эту петицию, чтобы потребовать от властей Европейского Союза, США, Канады, Великобритании санкционировать и координировать немедленное и тщательное расследование отравления Алексея Навального.



German version:

Petition für eine internationale Untersuchung der Vergiftung von Alexei Navalny im August 2020

Unterzeichnen Sie die Petition, um die Regierungen der Europäischen Union, der USA, Kanadas und der Großbritannien dazu aufzufordern, eine unabhängige sofortige und gründliche Untersuchung der Vergiftung von Alexei Navalny zu genehmigen und zu koordinieren. Am 20. August 2020 wurde der führende russische Regimekritiker und Oppositionspolitiker Alexei Navalny vergiftet und fiel ins Koma. Die Vergiftung von kremlkritischen Personen des öffentlichen Lebens und Oppositionellen wird während Putins Herrschaft systematisch angewendet. Der barbarische und unmenschliche Einsatz von Giften gegen politische Gegner hat nur einen Zweck - die Opposition zum Schweigen zu bringen. Das Putin-Regime verletzt auf Gröbste die Menschenrechte und vernichtet konsequent diejenigen, die Russland zu einem demokratischen Wandel zu bringen versuchen. Die Straflosigkeit des Regimes führt zu neuen Verbrechen.

Wir sind zuversichtlich, dass dieses Verbrechen unter den gegenwärtigen Bedingungen in Russland nicht fair und unparteiisch untersucht wird.
Bitte unterschreiben Sie diese Petition, um die Regierungen der Europäischen Union, der USA, Kanadas und der Großbritannien dazu aufzufordern, eine unabhängige sofortige und gründliche Untersuchung der Vergiftung von Alexei Navalny zu genehmigen und zu koordinieren.



French version:

Pétition pour l’ouverture de l’enquête internationale sur l'empoisonnement d'Alexei Navalny en août 2020

Signez la pétition pour demander aux autorités de l'Union européenne, des États-Unis, du Canada et du Royaume-Uni d'autoriser et de coordonner une enquête immédiate et approfondie sur l'empoisonnement d'Alexei Navalny.

Le 20 août 2020, l'éminent leader de l'opposition russe Alexei Navalny a été empoisonné et est tombé dans le coma. L'empoisonnement de personnalités publiques et politiques indésirables au Kremlin est une méthode systématiquement utilisée pendant le règne de Poutine. Le seul but de l'usage barbare et inhumain de poisons contre des opposants politiques est de faire taire l'opposition. Le régime de Poutine bafoue violemment les droits de l'homme et détruit ceux qui cherchent à apporter des changements démocratiques en Russie. L'impunité du régime engendre de nouveaux crimes.

Nous sommes convaincus que dans les conditions actuelles en Russie, ce crime ne fera pas l’objet d’enquêtes équitables et impartiales.
Signez cette pétition pour demander aux autorités de l'Union européenne, des États-Unis, du Canada et du Royaume-Uni d'autoriser et de coordonner une enquête immédiate et approfondie sur l'empoisonnement d'Alexei Navalny.


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Not sure about the Russian, but there are a couple of eyebrow raisers in the French version - not least the rendering of the redundant KGB colonel's name....and I think most French speakers would say 'Chef' rather than ' leader' ?

@Condottiere Corriger svp ? :)
 
Heard on Talk Radio news that it was poisoning. Moscow Times and DW report the German gov't said it is likely that Navalny was likely the the target of a poisoning attack. From DW:

Berlin hospital says Alexei Navalny was likely poisoned
The Charite university hospital treating Alexei Navalny in Berlin says early tests suggest the Russian opposition figure was poisoned by a toxin. It described his condition as serious, but with no acute danger of death.
Berlin hospital says Alexei Navalny was likely poisoned | DW | 24.08.2020

Germany Says Navalny ‘Likely’ Poisoned
Germany Says Navalny ‘Likely’ Poisoned - The Moscow Times
 
Looks like the Russkies are getting a bit of road rage on and ramming US vehicles:

"Boys will be boys" . . . from the video, I don't think either side look to be very clever :( .

"Unsafe and unprofessional actions like this represent a breach of de-confliction protocols, committed to by the United States and Russia in December 2019," said Ullyot.

"The coalition and the United States do not seek escalation with any national military forces, but U.S. forces always retain the inherent right and obligation to defend themselves from hostile acts."

U.S. and Russian troops frequently interact in Syria, but confrontations have been rare.
 
"Boys will be boys" . . . from the video, I don't think either side look to be very clever :( .

"Unsafe and unprofessional actions like this represent a breach of de-confliction protocols, committed to by the United States and Russia in December 2019," said Ullyot.

"The coalition and the United States do not seek escalation with any national military forces, but U.S. forces always retain the inherent right and obligation to defend themselves from hostile acts."

U.S. and Russian troops frequently interact in Syria, but confrontations have been rare.

the way I saw it, I got the impression the Russkies were up for a bit of showing the US a bit of aggro given they sped up to catch up with them. Not sure why they would have had to ram them
 
the way I saw it, I got the impression the Russkies were up for a bit of showing the US a bit of aggro given they sped up to catch up with them. Not sure why they would have had to ram them
Adrenaline . . . ;) !!
 
Russia has dismissed the head of RUSADA, its national anti-doping agency. The ongoing appeal against Russian athletes and their four year ban is due to be heard in November:

The agency was conditionally reinstated in September 2018, but was declared non-compliant late last year after WADA found Moscow had provided it with doctored laboratory data.

RUSADA has appealed against a four-year ban on Russian athletes competing at major international sporting events under their flag as punishment for that data alteration.

The case will be heard by the Lausanne-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in November.
 
Navalny apparently another victim of Novichok:

Tests performed on samples taken from the Russian opposition leader from his hospital bed in Berlin showed the presence of the Soviet-era agent, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

He said testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group".
 
Navalny apparently another victim of Novichok:

Tests performed on samples taken from the Russian opposition leader from his hospital bed in Berlin showed the presence of the Soviet-era agent, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

He said testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group".

Shocker! Who'd have thought! Obviously 'rogue elements', with no connection to Vlad's benevolent regime.
 
Navalny apparently another victim of Novichok:

Tests performed on samples taken from the Russian opposition leader from his hospital bed in Berlin showed the presence of the Soviet-era agent, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

He said testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group".
Just today I saw a talk show on Russian TV1 "The Time will show" where the host said that the main news in the Navalny case is absence of news.
It appears that he was not right.
It looks that from this point pres.Putin doesn't care about image of Russia. It is quite possible that he authorised to poison mr.Navalny and it was done just before boarding to the plane. So it was expected that mr.Navalny would die on the board. Fortunately, the pilot made a decision to land the plane in the nearest big city and local doctors saved life of mr.Navalny. Let's wish him fast recover.
 
Just now Russian TV-1 shows Leonid Rink. Sorry, Wikipedia article is available only in Russian
He is a chemist, one of Novichok developers. At time (in 90's) he sold Novichok to business-partner of prominent banker mr.Kivelidi, was poisoned and died. Mr.Rink that time in fact escaped serious punishment.
Now he claims that it doesn't look as mr.Navalny was poisoned namely by Novichok.
Though mr.Rink probably was forced to make such a claim.
 

Charles1948

Old-Salt
Just today I saw a talk show on Russian TV1 "The Time will show" where the host said that the main news in the Navalny case is absence of news.
It appears that he was not right.
It looks that from this point pres.Putin doesn't care about image of Russia. It is quite possible that he authorised to poison mr.Navalny and it was done just before boarding to the plane. So it was expected that mr.Navalny would die on the board. Fortunately, the pilot made a decision to land the plane in the nearest big city and local doctors saved life of mr.Navalny. Let's wish him fast recover.
At least, President Putin is better than earlier Russian leaders, such as Stalin. Stalin killed millions of people.

Now Putin only kills a few individual political opponents.

That shows some progress in Russia.
 
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‘Do I look bothered’?
 
Just now Russian TV-1 shows Leonid Rink. Sorry, Wikipedia article is available only in Russian
He is a chemist, one of Novichok developers. At time (in 90's) he sold Novichok to business-partner of prominent banker mr.Kivelidi, was poisoned and died. Mr.Rink that time in fact escaped serious punishment.
Now he claims that it doesn't look as mr.Navalny was poisoned namely by Novichok.
Though mr.Rink probably was forced to make such a claim.
They also wheeled him out to deny the Skripals could have been poisoned with novichock

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Rink, Leonid Igorevich
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Wikipedia has articles about other people with the last name Rink .
Leonid Igorevich Rink - Doctor of Chemical Sciences , synthetic chemist , technologist, biochemist, general director of LLC MTPO "Inter-Vita" [1] .

Biography

Leonid Igorevich Rink was born on September 6, 1946 .

Studied at the Leningrad Technological Institute named after V.I. Lensovet [2] . He worked at the branch of GosNIIOKhT (State Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology) in Shikhany (Saratov Region).

One of the creators of the Soviet system of chemical weapons " Novichok " [3] [4] (until 1991) [5] .

In 2002, he filed a patent application for a method for producing derivatives of indandiones -1,3 used as highly toxic rodenticides to control harmful rodents [6] .

In 2004, he co-authored the abstracts of the report "Practical aspects of processing the reaction masses formed after the detoxification of organophosphorus toxic substances" in the materials of the 2nd Scientific and Practical Conference "Scientific and technical aspects of ensuring safety in the destruction, storage and transportation of chemical weapons" [7] ... At the next, 3rd Scientific and Practical Conference of the Federal University on the Safe Storage and Destruction of Chemical Weapons, he published an article "An example of the real disposal of waste obtained by the technology of liquid-phase oxidation with calcium nitrate."

On May 15, 2015, at the general meeting of the Russian Engineering Academy, he was elected a full member of this public academy [8] .

General Director of Interregional Trade and Industrial Association Inter-Vita LLC [1] .

Full member of the Academy of Medical and Technical Sciences [1] .

He is a member of the Scientific Council of the State Scientific Center of the Russian Federation " GNIIKHTEOS " [9] .

Daughter - Olga L. Rink, born in 1970, in 1994 graduated from MIPT with qualified mathematician engineer, and in 1997 received a degree in economics in International Economic Relations in the Finance Academy under the Government of Russian Federation in 2005 - the degree of MBA at Kingston Business School (Great Britain), General Director of Interfax - Dun & Bradstreet , in 1994-2005 she worked in the Interbank Financial House group of companies, in 2005-2006 - Director of PR and Investor Relations of the Energomash Group of Companies”, In 2006–2013 - Director of Public Relations at NCO ZAO NSD, since 2013 - Member of the Board of Directors of NP ARFI [10] [11] [12] [13] .

He made comments on the poisoning of the Skripals and Alexei Navalny , in which he supported the official position of the Russian authorities [14] [15] .

The case of the murder of banker Ivan Kivelidi

Between 1999 and 2006, Rink testified to investigators in the murder of banker Ivan Kivelidi . From these testimonies it follows that Rink synthesized about one gram of a toxic nerve agent, poured it into several ampoules (8-9 pieces) and took it to his garage. Subsequently, he sold these ampoules to various people associated with crime. At the same time, Rink explained to customers what safety measures must be observed when using the substance and said that "... the signs of death will be like with heart disease" [16] . Rink handed over the ampoules in the body of a regular pen and took from 1,500 to 1,800 dollars for each.

As the investigators established, Ivan Kivelidi was killed by a substance produced by Rink. It was applied under the rubber 5mm screw cap on the telephone receiver. After the death of Kivelidi, Rink sold the substance to some “persons of Chechen nationality”. Prior to that, Rink gave one ampoule to his friend named Ryabov, who threatened him. Another ampoule "for self-defense" was purchased by a citizen of Latvia , former Riga riot policeman Artur Talanov, who participated in the attack on cash collectors . Later Talanov brought investigators to Vladimir Khutsishvili, who was subsequently sentenced to 9 years for the murder of Kivelidi and his secretary [17] [18] .

Leonid Rink was found guilty of abuse of office, as he illegally produced hazardous substances. Sentenced to one year suspended sentence [19] [18] [20] .

Two criminal cases against Rink were dropped in 1999 and 2004, according to the Novaya Gazeta article . One of them was terminated due to the expiration of the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution [21] .
 
Is he sticking to the reasoning that it can’t be true if the victims didn’t die instantly, because Russian deadly weapons are deadly and Russia never fails?

And also contradicting Russians position that novichock never existed, by confirming he worked on it?



 

Charles1948

Old-Salt
Putin's not a Stalin. That's all we need to know.

If Stalin was still ruling Russia, he might have launched a massive thermonuclear attack on the West.
For ideological reasons: to destroy Capitalism, and establish Communism as the New World Order.

Putin won't do that. He has no ideology, except to stay in power.
 
They also wheeled him out to deny the Skripals could have been poisoned with novichock
The Skripals case is full of holes to begin with absence of clear objective. Journalists are not allowed to interview the Skripals freely. Some important details of the case being known to British authorities at the same time are being kept secret - did the Skripals return home at the day of poisoning or not and where they were been that day until noon? And why consular access to the Skripals is not allowed?
By contrast the case with mr.Navalny is much more clear. No doubt, there was(were) agent(s) of Russian secret services near mr.Navalny that day. Being close to him they had a lot of opportunities to poison mr.Navalny.
 
The Skripals case is full of holes
.... according to 118
to begin with absence of clear objective.
Killing the traitor, as directed by Putin, is pretty clear
Has Putin publicly stated that politicians and those against corruption must die?
Journalists are not allowed to interview the Skripals freely.
Aren’t they? Where’s your proof of this?
(A wet floor sign in a different area of the hospital is not a restricted secure area no matter how much Russian TV crews claim it is)
On the same basis journalists aren’t allowed to interview your GRU assassin tourists.

In Julia’s interview we can see the hole in her neck, in the GRU interview we get obvious lies that contradict the facts - even Russians didn’t believe their interview

The Skripals are victims of an assassination attempt
Some important details of the case being known to British authorities at the same time are being kept secret
Can 118 explain to you why the evidence has to be published outside of court yet?
- did the Skripals return home at the day of poisoning or not
Yes they did. It’s even in the timeline that 118 publishes when he states that they didn’t
and where they were been that day until noon?
What is relevant about the movements of the victims

The police asked for anyone to come forward with information about their movements at an early stage.
Why should you and 118 be told?
We now know when your agents planted the novichock

And why consular access to the Skripals is not allowed?
They aren’t prisoners, there is no right for consular access, Yulia told you why in her TV interview, she also told family on the telephone and Russia tapped the phone
..... and let’s not forget the alleged assassins were working under orders from the Russian state l. Why give access for another go?
By contrast the case with mr.Navalny is much more clear. No doubt, there was(were) agent(s) of Russian secret services near mr.Navalny that day.
There is no doubt that Russian agents were near the Skripals on that day.
We have seen them on CCTV, the GRU are very proud and have their photos on display, one of their mothers is very proud - and suddenly disappeared
Being close to him they had a lot of opportunities to poison mr.Navalny.
Ditto
 

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