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News breaking that Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev has handed his resignation to Vlad after Putin's speech and proposal to change rules to increase powers of parliament as a probable means of retaining his power. [ETA Russian Gov't resigned to allow Putin to make his changes]

Source = News flash ticker on France24 - now vanished. Developing.

Links re proposed increased powers:

Russia: Putin proposes more powers for parliament | DW | 15.01.2020

Putin uses state of nation speech to flag referendum on constitutional change

ETA news just in from Reuters in last few minutes:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Wednesday that the government he heads was resigning to give President Vladimir Putin room to carry out changes he wants to make to the constitution.

Medvedev made the announcement on state TV sitting next to Putin who thanked Medvedev, a close ally, for his work.


Russian government resigns: Prime Minister Medvedev

Presumably the usual swap between them won't be required if the proposed changes are made, as Vlad will likely stay put as president. What will happen about PM job and government? New elections after the changes are made? Sounds like a legal formality.
 
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ETA news just in from Reuters in last few minutes:

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Wednesday that the government he heads was resigning to give President Vladimir Putin room to carry out changes he wants to make to the constitution.

Medvedev made the announcement on state TV sitting next to Putin who thanked Medvedev, a close ally, for his work.


Russian government resigns: Prime Minister Medvedev

Presumably the usual swap between them won't be required if the proposed changes are made, as Vlad will likely stay put as president. What will happen about PM job and government? New elections after the changes are made? Sounds like a legal formality.
They've updated. Medvedev gets a new job, Parliament stays in place until a new govt is formed. Likely new PM is one of the following:
Sergei Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow
Dmitry Oreshkin, the economy minister
Alexander Novak, the energy minister.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said on Wednesday that his government was resigning to give President Vladimir Putin room to carry out the changes he wants to make to the constitution.

The unexpected announcement, which came shortly after Putin proposed a nationwide vote on sweeping changes that would shift power from the presidency to parliament, means Russia will also get a new prime minister.

Possible candidates include Sergei Sobyanin, the mayor of Moscow, Dmitry Oreshkin, the economy minister, or Alexander Novak, the energy minister.

Medvedev made the announcement on state TV sitting next to Putin who thanked Medvedev, a close ally, for his work.

Putin said that Medvedev would take on a new job as deputy head of Russia’s Security Council, which Putin chairs.

Putin asked for the outgoing government to remain at work until a new government was appointed.
 
So........ a dictatorship with a democratic facade. Plus ça change! Potemkin:- It’s not a village, but a whole country.
 
Looks like Mishustin is the new PM. Interesting that he was head of the tax service. Probably knows where some of the skeletons and stashes of money are located:
Putin nominated Mikhail Mishustin, 53-year-old head of the tax service, as the next prime minister. Mishustin, who will be quizzed by parliament on Thursday, has played ice hockey with Putin but has little public profile and had not been spoken of as a possible candidate.

He will inevitably be viewed as a possible successor to a shrunken presidency, as will members of his cabinet, many of whom are expected to be new to government.
 
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Does anyone have a link to a detailed or informative article to the ‘Russian plumbers’ at Davos 2020 who magically produced diplomatic passports when rumbled for spying?
 
Does anyone have a link to a detailed or informative article to the ‘Russian plumbers’ at Davos 2020 who magically produced diplomatic passports when rumbled for spying?
This any good?
Police in the eastern Swiss canton of Grisons confirmed the men had been subject to routine identify checks and were found to have Russian diplomatic passports.

“We could not ascertain any reason to detain them. They were allowed to go,” a cantonal police spokeswoman said.

She did not confirm the men posed as plumbers and said officers had not established a link between their visit and WEF, where American president Donald Trump and prominent Kremlin critic Bill Browder are among attendees
 
Does anyone have a link to a detailed or informative article to the ‘Russian plumbers’ at Davos 2020 who magically produced diplomatic passports when rumbled for spying?
Politico reported on them but with little detail.
 
Does anyone have a link to a detailed or informative article to the ‘Russian plumbers’ at Davos 2020 who magically produced diplomatic passports when rumbled for spying?
 
He never really went away.View attachment 445141

Very good article which provides a good background as to Putin's actions today.
 

Very good article which provides a good background as to Putin's actions today.
And it underlines the continuity of the authoritarian and exceptionalist "Muscovite Mentality" as seen in the rule of the Tsars, followed by the Red Tsars and now followed by the Neo-Tsar.
 
I suppose it's better than 'Dear Leader'. 'Supreme Ruler' is one of the proposals for Vlad from 'Head of State'
The Kremlin said on Wednesday that President Vladimir Putin had no view on a proposal that would see his job description change to Supreme Ruler from head of state after a government commission said it was considering the idea.

The title change is one of an array of possible alterations to the Russian constitution put forward by members of a government commission set up after Putin earlier this month said he wanted to change the Russian basic law.
Peskov says they're only at the discussion stage:
“There are... some very curious proposals among those put forward. For instance, they proposed renaming the position of head of state to ‘Supreme leader’,” Pavel Krasheninnikov, the government commission’s co-chair, told the Rossiiskaya Gazeta government newspaper.

When asked about the idea on Wednesday, the Kremlin was non-committal, calling it a “new initiative” and one of various proposals that may or may not be implemented.

“Right now all this is at the discussion stage,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. “President Putin has no view on this.”
Not sure why, but somehow they want to recognise Russia as a 'victorious power' in a war that ended 75 years ago this year. Whether the same applies to the Soviet Union, the US, UK, China etc. is unknown.

Same on recognising the Orthodox Church as the country's main religion. I always assumed it was tbh, apparently it's Christianity from another Vlad:
Other proposals include formally recognising Russia’s status as a “victorious power” in World War Two and recognising Orthodox Christianity as the country’s main religion, the Kommersant newspaper reported.

“Naturally some (of the proposals) will be eliminated, some will be accepted and from this the commission’s sought-after result will appear,” Peskov told reporters.
Stalin only had 'Great Leader'

There's already a 'Supreme Leader'

I suppose there are better things than being compared to a 'top notch measuring tool'.

Such titles make me think of this sketch for some reason:
 

I reckon the neo-Tsar would like to have a word with the Patriarch.
Put him back on track. "Gott mit Uns" (translated into Old Church Slavonic of course) and all that.

The Russian Orthodox Church has been an arm of the Muscovite State ever since the Patriarchate was inveigled to decamp to Moscow and then it kow-towed to it's Prince by announcing Moscow as the Third Rome and confirming it's ruler as the Tsar (Emperor) of all the Russias. There was no separation of Church and State, with the State nearly always having the upper hand.

There was a little hiccough and a bit of a hiatus under the Red Tsars, but even Stalin turned to its usefulness once his alliance with Hitler fell apart.
 
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I suppose it's better than 'Dear Leader'. 'Supreme Ruler' is one of the proposals for Vlad from 'Head of State'

Peskov says they're only at the discussion stage:

Not sure why, but somehow they want to recognise Russia as a 'victorious power' in a war that ended 75 years ago this year. Whether the same applies to the Soviet Union, the US, UK, China etc. is unknown.

Same on recognising the Orthodox Church as the country's main religion. I always assumed it was tbh, apparently it's Christianity from another Vlad:


Stalin only had 'Great Leader'

There's already a 'Supreme Leader'

I suppose there are better things than being compared to a 'top notch measuring tool'.

Such titles make me think of this sketch for some reason:
If Putin becomes the Tsar, would his dynasty be called the Putinovs?

(I am reading Simon Montefiore's book "The Romanovs" at the moment, and can recommend it. (I need a dictionary for some of the more erudite English words that he uses, very educational.))
 
If Putin becomes the Tsar, would his dynasty be called the Putinovs?

(I am reading Simon Montefiore's book "The Romanovs" at the moment, and can recommend it. (I need a dictionary for some of the more erudite English words that he uses, very educational.))
Yes he writes quite eloquently. His book on the history of Jerusalem is awesome. But I digress
 
(...) The Russian Orthodox Church has been an arm of the Muscovite State ever since the Patriarchate was inveigled to decamp to Moscow and then it kow-towed to it's Prince by announcing Moscow as the Third Rome and confirming it's ruler as the Tsar (Emperor) of all the Russias. There was no separation of Church and State, with the State nearly always having the upper hand.

There was a little hiccough and a bit of a hiatus under the Red Tsars, but even Stalin turned to its usefulness once his alliance with Hitler fell apart.
Stalin trained in an Orthodox seminary in Georgia but was expelled shortly before graduation, apparently for his involvement with communists. After that he moved to Baku, a major oil producing centre, where he became a full time activist with the communists, raising money for them through armed robberies, extortion, and other related activities.
 
Prince Mikhail of Kentski was seen in a troika heading towards the Hermitage in the early hours.......
 

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