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Civic society is trying to establish itself in Russia and especially in Moscow.

Ironically, the Muscovite citizen him/herself is beginning to refuse the imposition of the mindset of (mediaeval) Muscovy developed by its rulers and imposed on all the other Russian principalities which is what I refer to when I mention the "Muscovite Mindset" or the "Muscovite Mentality" in this or other related threads on this forum.
 
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Thousands protest in Moscow after opposition barred from city vote - Reuters
More protests in Moscow. This time it’s apparently the authorities saying the candidates didn’t get enough votes (sponsors would probably be a better word), whilst the opposition say they did:

Seems the ‘Putin lies’ is a common phrase:
Moscow city Duma is very important local legislative body. So ruling political elites try not to allow independent and opposition candidates to take part in the elections using all means including fraudulent and even anecdotal ones.
One of opposition candidates was not allowed to participate because there are too many signatures in her support that are 'doubtful' including signature of her own Mother.
What could you expect from Crooks and Thieves that are at power in Russia?
 
At least they’re doing something about it. Are you?
I believe that such protest actions are inefficient, ineffective.
I have my own solution - vote for Communists. They are the lest corrupted political party in Russia and they are in opposition to current ruling regime.
Still liberal opposition haven't their more or less viable political party and without such a party all their efforts will be fruitless.
It appears that the head of Moscow electoral commission (with his family) is a happy owner of real estate in ... Croatia that costs hundreds thousands $$.
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Btw, the official name of the Communist party is KPRF - the Communist Party of Russian Federation and authorities created fake party - The Communists of Russia.
During upcoming elections current speaker of Moscow Duma has a strong contester - the head of local municipal district - mr.Trofimov. His is not an opposition activist but merely a fair man. So another Trofimov was registered as a candidate who was previously sentenced for fraud and who works in a school as ... a calculator. Yes, he (according to electoral documents) works as a 'calculator.
What party does he represent? Of course the Communists of Russia.
Блоги / Алексей Навальный: Если не хочешь быть человеком второго сорта — просто не будь им
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Here you may see that 'calculator' works in a school and was sentenced according to 159 article of the Criminal code.

Of course now, known Putin's troll @HectortheInspector will appear and call me a liar.
 
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I believe that such protest actions are inefficient, ineffective.
Really? Oh well, it’s a good job you don’t mention such protests in the West ....

If nobody protests, nobody realises anything’s wrong.
I have my own solution - vote for Communists. They are the lest corrupted political party in Russia and they are in opposition to current ruling regime.
Still liberal opposition haven't their more or less viable political party and without such a party all their efforts will be fruitless.
It appears that the head of Moscow electoral commission (with his family) is a happy owner of real estate in ... Croatia that costs hundreds thousands $$.
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Btw, the official name of the Communist party is KPRF - the Communist Party of Russian Federation and authorities created fake party - The Communists of Russia.
During upcoming elections current speaker of Moscow Duma has a strong contester - the head of local municipal district - mr.Trofimov. His is not an opposition activist but merely a fair man. So another Trofimov was registered as a candidate who was previously sentenced for fraud and who works in a school as ... a calculator. Yes, he (according to electoral documents) works as a 'calculator.
What party does he represent? Of course the Communists of Russia.
Блоги / Алексей Навальный: Если не хочешь быть человеком второго сорта — просто не будь им
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Here you may see that 'calculator' works in a school and was sentenced according to 159 article of the Criminal code.

Of course now, known Putin's troll @HectortheInspector will appear and call me a liar.
Communism is a busted flush and in Soviet times was one of the reasons for the collapse of your last empire. I’m sure it’ll have been the wrong sort of Communism.

Why do you have property if you’re a staunch communist?
 
Really? Oh well, it’s a good job you don’t mention such protests in the West ....

If nobody protests, nobody realises anything’s wrong.

Communism is a busted flush and in Soviet times was one of the reasons for the collapse of your last empire. I’m sure it’ll have been the wrong sort of Communism.

Why do you have property if you’re a staunch communist?
I'm not a supporter of the communist idea. But I'm against corruption and alas many liberal politicians during the last decades were involved in corruption scandals. The liberal politicians that are not allowed to participate in the elections from my point of view could follow the way of jailed Kirov governor Nikita Belykh.
They - liberal politicians should do their job themselves and as the first step form viable political party that they failed to do.
 
I'm not a supporter of the communist idea. But I'm against corruption and alas many liberal politicians during the last decades were involved in corruption scandals. The liberal politicians that are not allowed to participate in the elections from my point of view could follow the way of jailed Kirov governor Nikita Belykh.
They - liberal politicians should do their job themselves and as the first step form viable political party that they failed to do.
The Soviet Communist govt was riddled with corruption and nepotism. The shortages led to bribes and a huge black market.

The legacy in former Sov states lives on. You want to return to that? Or do you seriously believe your current Communists will do better next time?

The point was on the protests and you believe they’re a waste of time yet what other alternatives are there? The Communists may be the second highest polling (about half of UR depending on the poll), but that’s often ‘nostalgia’ as mentioned before.

Vlad will be Prime Minister in 2024 until 2036, at which time he’ll be eighty four. He may then go for the Presidency again. That is unless something happens to stop the Czar making a mug of your constitution. Even changing it from four to six year terms.
 
The Soviet Communist govt was riddled with corruption and nepotism. The shortages led to bribes and a huge black market.
In comparison with current situation corruption in the Soviet union looks as quite innocent.
The legacy in former Sov states lives on. You want to return to that? Or do you seriously believe your current Communists will do better next time?
Yes, modern Russian Communists don't look as hard core bigots. They attracted a lot of intellectuals including well-known scientists as Nobel Laureate late Zhores Alferov.
Zhores Alferov - Wikipedia
Russian communists don't plan to restore communist dictatorship and it is absolutely impossible. But they are able to implement such important concept as social justice, to perform nationalization of stolen (by oligarchs) property. There was a lot of positive elements in the Soviet system as social lifts for example.
The point was on the protests and you believe they’re a waste of time yet what other alternatives are there? The Communists may be the second highest polling (about half of UR depending on the poll), but that’s often ‘nostalgia’ as mentioned before.
The people that are not allowed to take part in the elections represent liberal Western leaning part of the political spectrum. Of course it is not right but I know them for years and would not vote for them anyway. So it is their job to defend their rights. In 90's liberal Western leaning politicians tried to ban the Communist party, to stage trial against the Communist party as 'criminal organization'. Now they see how their ideas look in real life.
Vlad will be Prime Minister in 2024 until 2036, at which time he’ll be eighty four. He may then go for the Presidency again. That is unless something happens to stop the Czar making a mug of your constitution. Even changing it from four to six year terms.
Health of mr.Putin is in hands of the best medics in Russia. He could outlive many now young politicians and even being 100yo could be a president. Why not?
 
In comparison with current situation corruption in the Soviet union looks as quite innocent.
Surely that depends on your point of view? As an outsider I see one gang of nepotistic ‘crooks and thieves’ rattling their sabre being replaced with another gang of ‘crooks and thieves’ rattling their sabre. Neither seem/ed interested in the truth and spew(ed) propaganda
Yes, modern Russian Communists don't look as hard core bigots. They attracted a lot of intellectuals including well-known scientists as Nobel Laureate late Zhores Alferov.
Zhores Alferov - Wikipedia
Russian communists don't plan to restore communist dictatorship and it is absolutely impossible. But they are able to implement such important concept as social justice, to perform nationalization of stolen (by oligarchs) property. There was a lot of positive elements in the Soviet system as social lifts for example.
They sound more socialist than communist tbh
The people that are not allowed to take part in the elections represent liberal Western leaning part of the political spectrum. Of course it is not right but I know them for years and would not vote for them anyway. So it is their job to defend their rights. In 90's liberal Western leaning politicians tried to ban the Communist party, to stage trial against the Communist party as 'criminal organization'. Now they see how their ideas look in real life.
Seems apt
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Health of mr.Putin is in hands of the best medics in Russia. He could outlive many now young politicians and even being 100yo could be a president. Why not?
I’m sure he’ll stay in power for as long as he wants. The point was he’s riding roughshod over your constitution and yet you seem unable to protest about it, or at least think it’s not worthwhile.
 
Surely that depends on your point of view? As an outsider I see one gang of nepotistic ‘crooks and thieves’ rattling their sabre being replaced with another gang of ‘crooks and thieves’ rattling their sabre. Neither seem/ed interested in the truth and spew(ed) propaganda. ........
That's the historic imperative of the "Muscovite Mindset" in action. Whoever gets on top of the heap in Russia is pretty much conditioned to carry on in the same way as the previous rulers.
 
Seems apt
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

This text that belongs to Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller is too well known and I expected too see it but it is not something universal. Btw, at first Hitler eliminated the opposition inside his own party in quite cruel way.
In fact the Crooks and Thieves at power that serve to oligarchs don't allow some liberal politicians to take part in the elections. But the liberal politicians are just potential crooks and thieves who would serve to oligarchs no doubt.
I’m sure he’ll stay in power for as long as he wants. The point was he’s riding roughshod over your constitution and yet you seem unable to protest about it, or at least think it’s not worthwhile.
It is not that simple task to stay at power in Russia for decades. After years of stagnation Putin has to boost national economy. In my opinion It is impossible with current level of corruption and without limitation of economic power of oligarch.
Without sound popular support power of Putin will not be so unshakable as one could suggest.
 
This text that belongs to Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller is too well known and I expected too see it but it is not something universal. Btw, at first Hitler eliminated the opposition inside his own party in quite cruel way.
As I said, it seems apt.
In fact the Crooks and Thieves at power that serve to oligarchs don't allow some liberal politicians to take part in the elections. But the liberal politicians are just potential crooks and thieves who would serve to oligarchs no doubt.
Seeing as they’re not in power, that’s quite a large supposition
It is not that simple task to stay at power in Russia for decades.
Those who get up that greasy pole tend to stay until they die. Yeltsin was probably the only one in the past 100 years or so who retired
After years of stagnation Putin has to boost national economy. In my opinion It is impossible with current level of corruption and without limitation of economic power of oligarch.
Plenty of things stimulate economies. It makes you wonder why Russia is stagnating somewhat
Without sound popular support power of Putin will not be so unshakable as one could suggest.
Everyone knows he is popular. Which makes the vote rigging all the more bizarre. The point then was in his ‘riding roughshod’ over your constitution which you’ve admirably avoided again.
 
Those who get up that greasy pole tend to stay until they die.
Yes, it was right in the times of the Roman Empire and it is right now. Counterexamples (in countries voided developed democracy) are rare and only support the common rule.
Yeltsin was probably the only one in the past 100 years or so who retired
He was forced to do it as he would not win the upcoming elections. So mr.Putin was appointed as his successor.
Btw, previously mr.Gorbachov formally resigned. But he in fact was forced to do it.
Plenty of things stimulate economies. It makes you wonder why Russia is stagnating somewhat
During the first years of Putin's rule relatively high oil prices stimulated Russian economy but this resource expired long ago and it appears that oligarch's owned and directed economy is ineffective, unable to grow. Add to it widespread corruption and hardly prospects of Russian economy can be called as bright.
Everyone knows he is popular. Which makes the vote rigging all the more bizarre. The point then was in his ‘riding roughshod’ over your constitution which you’ve admirably avoided again.
Now mr.Putin is not that popular in Russia as previously due to economic stagnation and small but visible fall in living standards. As for Russian intellectuals then mr.Putin became unpopular long ago.
Putin is not popular among business people, lawyers, specialists of high qualification (as me), among scholars and especially among intellectuals with liberal views.
Putin is being supported by Big Money, by Big Business - tiny group of oligarchs. Without Putin their (in fact stolen) property would be nationalised.
 
Yes, it was right in the times of the Roman Empire and it is right now. Counterexamples (in countries voided developed democracy) are rare and only support the common rule.
But you’re supposedly a democracy and for the third time, seem quite happy with Putin riding roughshod over your constitution. I know it’s young, but it seems/ed worthwhile
He was forced to do it as he would not win the upcoming elections. So mr.Putin was appointed as his successor.
Btw, previously mr.Gorbachov formally resigned. But he in fact was forced to do it.
Yep, Gorby as well
During the first years of Putin's rule relatively high oil prices stimulated Russian economy but this resource expired long ago and it appears that oligarch's owned and directed economy is ineffective, unable to grow. Add to it widespread corruption and hardly prospects of Russian economy can be called as bright.
Yet you appear to dismiss protests against this
Now mr.Putin is not that popular in Russia as previously due to economic stagnation and small but visible fall in living standards. As for Russian intellectuals then mr.Putin became unpopular long ago.
More than one way to skin a cat. Your economy could do a lot better if there was outside investment for a start. Self imposed sanctions can’t help
Putin is not popular among business people, lawyers, specialists of high qualification (as me), among scholars and especially among intellectuals with liberal views.
I see that as more the proletariat showing loyalty to the boss. The propaganda works with them
Putin is being supported by Big Money, by Big Business - tiny group of oligarchs. Without Putin their (in fact stolen) property would be nationalised.
If the Communists gained power. Socialism can work, but it’s not the best to stimulate an ailing economy
 
(...) During the first years of Putin's rule relatively high oil prices stimulated Russian economy but this resource expired long ago and it appears that oligarch's owned and directed economy is ineffective, unable to grow. Add to it widespread corruption and hardly prospects of Russian economy can be called as bright.
I think there was a bit more to it than that in the early days. If you look at objective measures such as life expectancy then life under Yeltsin was disastrous for the average Russian. Life expectancy declined significantly, and this translated into the deaths of huge numbers of people. Stalin killed many through ruthlessness while Yeltsin did the same though incompetence.

Putin has dictatorial tendencies, but he brought more competent government to Russia. He halted and then reversed the decline in life expectancy, overhauled the state and the economy, and put Russia on a sustainable path. After that oil prices started rising and suddenly the preparatory work which had been done meant the Russian economy was doing very well indeed and Putin's political aura was reinforced.

That lasted until oil prices fell and then stagnated. Russia is too dependent economically upon oil, gas, and other commodity prices to be able to prosper independently of oil prices. This is a problem that any government will face in Russia so long as Russia is so dependent upon oil. We have seen the same thing in the province of Alberta in Canada where political satisfaction and stability or discontent and turmoil is closely linked to oil prices.

At some point I suspect that as memories of the 1990s fade then unless oil prices recover Putin will face falling popularity and it will be increasingly difficult for him to sustain himself in power.

Now mr.Putin is not that popular in Russia as previously due to economic stagnation and small but visible fall in living standards. As for Russian intellectuals then mr.Putin became unpopular long ago.
Putin is not popular among business people, lawyers, specialists of high qualification (as me), among scholars and especially among intellectuals with liberal views.
Putin is being supported by Big Money, by Big Business - tiny group of oligarchs. Without Putin their (in fact stolen) property would be nationalised.
Would you say that support for the Communists is largely due to the inability of the liberals to form a viable organised political alternative?
 
Yes, it was right in the times of the Roman Empire and it is right now. Counterexamples (in countries voided developed democracy) are rare and only support the common rule.

He was forced to do it as he would not win the upcoming elections. So mr.Putin was appointed as his successor.
Btw, previously mr.Gorbachov formally resigned. But he in fact was forced to do it.

During the first years of Putin's rule relatively high oil prices stimulated Russian economy but this resource expired long ago and it appears that oligarch's owned and directed economy is ineffective, unable to grow. Add to it widespread corruption and hardly prospects of Russian economy can be called as bright.

Now mr.Putin is not that popular in Russia as previously due to economic stagnation and small but visible fall in living standards. As for Russian intellectuals then mr.Putin became unpopular long ago.
Putin is not popular among business people, lawyers, specialists of high qualification (as me), among scholars and especially among intellectuals with liberal views.
Putin is being supported by Big Money, by Big Business - tiny group of oligarchs. Without Putin their (in fact stolen) property would be nationalised.
You know reading what you've written there, one might almost be tempted to think you weren't one of Vlad's agitprop drones.

Almost.
 
A new and more competent operator. Same agenda.

A question I would like to ask is this:

Why have life expectancies in Russia been so low?

I would have assumed that in the time of Yeltsin and since, medical care is on a par with or better than some Western nations. The old saw about drinking oneself into oblivion seems a bit thin and a low expectancy would tend to indicate higher pre adult mortality. Is primary care in Russia just no good?

A genuine question.
 
Putin has dictatorial tendencies, but he brought more competent government to Russia.
Putin's government during the first years of his rule had done one important thing - in fact huge sovereign debt was eliminated and sound hard currency-golden reserves were accumulated. Huge money were not spent on doubtful populist projects but in the right way.
He halted and then reversed the decline in life expectancy, overhauled the state and the economy, and put Russia on a sustainable path. After that oil prices started rising and suddenly the preparatory work which had been done meant the Russian economy was doing very well indeed and Putin's political aura was reinforced.
Fortunately for Russia and for mr.Putin high oil prices during the start of hus rule helped much to resolve many problems.
Would you say that support for the Communists is largely due to the inability of the liberals to form a viable organised political alternative?
The Communists haven't wide support in Russia and their rating in big cities, especially in Moscow is quite modest. Their electoral base is concentrated in frequently remote, depressive regions. Also it should be said that while the communists are in opposition but it is not tough opposition but rather constructive one. Some Communists politicians are being used by mr.Putin.
2 years ago then 38yo mr.Klychkov was appointed by mr.Putin as a governor of Orel area.
Andrey Klychkov - Wikipedia
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Mr.Klychkov was known as a prominent member of Moscow city Duma. For mr.Putin it is important to clear Moscow from popular opposition politicians and anyway the Communists would win governor elections in the region that belongs to so called 'the Red belt'.

As for the liberals then mr.Putin appointed their prominent leader mr.Belykh as Kirov area governor but...
Nikita Belykh - Wikipedia
On June 24, 2016, Belykh was arrested in a bar by the Russian Investigative Committee, allegedly for receiving a bribe of €400,000... Belykh was convicted of bribery in February 2018 and sentenced to eight years in prison, a 48.5 million ruble ($866,000) fine
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On May 28, 2005, Belykh was elected leader of the Union of Right Forces, a leading opposition party...
As party leader, Belykh adopted a line of strict opposition to Russian President Vladimir Putin
I suspect that mr.Putin used sophisticated method to jail opposition politician and to discredit liberal political forces. He proposed mr.Belykh to be a governor... and something expected happened.
 
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Why have life expectancies in Russia been so low?
There are many causes but I would like to outline the main one - alcoholism.
A recent study blamed alcohol for more than half the deaths (52%) among Russians aged 15 to 54 from 1990 to 2001. In recent years this number is falling but I fancy still is very high.
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Male life expectancy in Russia is a catastrophe.
 

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