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Ha! Do you really think, that all conscripts, gathered from newly captured regions of Soviet Union (like West Ukraine, or or Baltic respublics), wished to fight for USSR more than ordinary Indians or Australians wished to fight for British Empire?
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Conscripts fighting well because if they dont they are murdered by the Soviet state is not the same as wished to fight for it

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Yet India put the largest volunteer force in history into the field* - there was no conscription - odd how so many that didn't want to fight chose to

*Britain couldn't afford and didn't need to equip more - but capacity was there -
 
"A sustained fight between large organized armed forces."

The garrison of Singapore was not "large orginised armed force". It was a mere crowd of cowards, cretins and open enemies of the Empire.
It was largely support personnel in Singapore itself
The Japanese had full air superiority
It was a lost proposition once Malaya fell

The diversion of all resources to Europe and only 3rd rate kit sent to the far east - did nothing to help Malaya either.
 
The UK was allie with Nazies, and what is more important - you are allies of Nazies.
No that's Russia your thinking of
Im struggling to think of any other non Nazi nations that willingly allied with the Nazis and the list starts and ends with Soviet Union (or really Russia )

I suppose you could count Finland - but theres was more an alliance of convenience in the face of Russian agression so I would contend they felt forced into it for self preservation.

Buf feel free to list a correction - especially when the UK allied with a Nazi power
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Who inflicting approx 15% killed/wounded on the enemy, with 6% of their own casualties

Making a civilian population fight to the death isn’t the definition of a battle
A week of fighting isn’t cowardice
Surrender instead of unnecessary death isn’t treason

Are you on general russian stronk, or comparing to a different battle in which the civilian population did fight to the death whether they wanted to or not due to living in a city with the glorious leaders name and for the propaganda value
We can respect your people who fought on through the battle, but a brainwashed war mongering rapist is blinkered by Russia’s bullshit view of the world and the constant rewriting of history
Keyword is 'organised'
Week of plague or 15% of dead, does not make 'infection' 'orginised armed force'.
There is a difference in the 'body organisation' between mushroom, animal and human, and there is the same difference between a crowd and military unit. Mushroom have no understanding about the world around him - it just grow. High animals have neurons, have reflective arcs, starting with sensors and ending with motoneurons. Cat can see a mouse, can hear it, sometimes can even predict its movement, but can't understand it motivation and inner logic. Human have higher-level consciousness, menthal abities that allow to understand himself or other people, their logic and motivatons. It is not only question of brain weight - whales and elephats, have larger brains, but they are still mere animals.
Roughly it is illustration of difference between crowd (that cant see longer that streets corner), bandgroup (or partisan squad) that have recon activity, and can see where is their enemy, how many soldiers and vechicles, how much food and fuel they have, where they are going and so on... Military unit is one more step higher - it have intelligence. Commander of military unit must not only to know where is his enemy, what he is doing, what he actually have, but also clearly understand way of enemies thinking, moral and proffesional level of his soldiers, his field manuals, what he will do, and how he will react on your actions. Also, military unit have-self-understanding - soldiers must understand their place in battle-order, what is their goal, what is important and what is not, etc..

British garrison had no even minimal understanding about place, number, supply level of Japan forces. Their Generals, officers and even recces didn't know Japan language, Japanese military documents, actual level of their supply and their plans. No one of captured Japan soldiers was interrogated. Actually, if they hold their positions one more day - Japans were going to retreat because of lack of food, fuel and shells.
Talking about 'civilians', one million of them is enough to conscript 100 thousand militioners, to keep order and fight against speculators, bandits, spies. Thousands of them could dig tranches, anti-tank traps, chop trees to create open spaces to fire and walls against infantry or false targets for aviation.
Lord! They didnt turn of lights to protect themselves against bombing, because nights were too hot,without fans (absolute majority of city population didn't have fans) . Comfort of Brits and rich Chineses was more important than safety of the city.
Talking about saving lives - Brits asked for mercy only for Englishmen and their families. Indians and Chineses were massacred ...
 
Munich agreement AKA Pact Hitler-Chamberlain.
Which was in no way (except perhaps in your fevered masturbatory dreams over Adolf) an alliance.

It was arguably a sell out in order to buy a few more years of peace but there was no pact for defence or to invade another country or anything else unlike the Russians who assisted training of the Nazi war machine - cooperated to invade a neighbouring country and kept the Nazi war machine supplied right up until the moment it attacked them. At which point it squealed like a girl and begged the country it had been actively working against since 1939 for assistance.
 
Whoops, some big fish being arrested for corruption in Russia:

Ex-Minister Mikhail Abyzov’s Shock $62M Fraud Detention, Explained
In fact there is no any explanation in the article.
Mr.Abyzov being a minister along with his partners sold shares of 4 companies to a state owned corporation. The real cost of the shares was about $3mln while they were sold for about $60mln.
Mr.Abyzov wisely fled Russia and lived mostly in Italy and the USA.
It is a tip of the iceberg.
 
As they say, a fish rots from the head.

They are just following their leader.
The truth will emerge when mr.Putin will abandon power but highly likely it will happen anytime soon.
Maybe mr.Putin is not corrupted himself but he allowed corruption on a huge scale.
Augean stables of corruption in Russia will not be cleared by mr.Putin. Some selective detentions ... it is maximum that one could expect. There is no political will to fight really with corruption because corruption is both Modus vivendi and Modus operandi of current regime.
 
Friendship must be mutual. And it was not.
Yes, all that food, money, getting rid of nukes etc etc was for naught
Extremely low moral level, was described even by British Generals. And the best way to increase morality is execution of cowards.
Classic, literally hundreds of thousands of Soviets surrendered in June/July ‘41
You allied with USA, Germany, France and others. Do you really think, that they will fight for your (and for their own) interests?
Look up alliance. Do you really think your ‘allies’ will be any different?
How many of your politics work for British interests?
How many Russian politicians line their own pockets? From Putin down?
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Yes, all that food, money, getting rid of nukes etc etc was for naught
All of good, made by USA and their vassals (first of all - space exploration, science, tech, movies, books and so on) was more than neitralised, literally their reputation was ruined by support of Chechen terrorists, lawless agression against Serbia and NATO expansion.

Classic, literally hundreds of thousands of Soviets surrendered in June/July ‘41
Some of them, whos guilty was proven - were executed, thats why others moral was improven, and the war was won. Order number 227 "No step backward".

Look up alliance. Do you really think your ‘allies’ will be any different?
Alexander III said: "Russia have only two true allies - her Army and her Fleet". Difference is that Russia have no illusions about other countries and don't blame them in "treason" or "surrendering"

How many Russian politicians line their own pockets? From Putin down?
All of them. Question is only in social control for their actions. Do their goal compatible with social goals or not.
 
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All of good, made by USA and their vassals (first of all - space exploration, science, tech, movies, books and so on) was more than neitralised, literally their reputation was ruined by support of Chechen terrorists, lawless agression against Serbia and NATO expansion.
The help and friendship offered by the west was one sided. Thank you
Some of them, whos guilty was proven - were executed, thats why others moral was improven, and the war was won. Order number 227 "No step backward".
I thought that was Hitler? Then again, there was no real difference between the two. Just Stalin killed more of his own countrymen
Alexander III said: "Russia have only two true allies - her Army and her Fleet". Difference is that Russia have no illusions about other countries and don't blame them in "treason" or "surrendering"
Which goes back to the original point of you wibbling on about Singapore when your whole nation surrendered.
All of them. Question is only in social control for their actions. Do their goal compatible with social goals or not.
Their goal seems to be to line their own pockets at the expense of the Russian people, yet you support them
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
The help and friendship offered by the west was one sided. Thank you
If you call it 'friendship', 'open hostility' is much better.


Which goes back to the original point of you wibbling on about Singapore when your whole nation surrendered.
I preffer term 'separate peace' and 'situative ethic'. Split Ukraine with Poland, then split Poland with Germany, split Germany with USA, split USA with Canada and Mexico. I'm just show, that Brits didnt fight for Singapore at all, and it was a free choice of Englishmen, Australians, Indians, Chinese and other who didnt understand why then need to defend Empire.
How many Brits will fight against EU for saving Northen Ireland as a part of the Kingdom?
 
There is a dysfunctional child crayoning nonsense all over this thread.

It should not be encouraged.
 

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