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Russia considers 'unplugging' from internet
From your source...
The test is expected to happen before 1 April but no exact date has been set.
Namely 1 April is exact date.
The measures outlined in the law include Russia building its own version of the net's address system, known as DNS, so it can operate if links to these internationally-located servers are cut.
There is nothing special. Russia is preparing to possible cuts to external servers.
Enlighten me, what sanctions are these. The ones against individuals or the ones against Russia?
You may find information here
International sanctions during the Ukrainian crisis - Wikipedia
Ukraine and Russia Sanctions
I haven't found anything interesting here. Why don't you quote your source? For the same reason?
 
(...) There is nothing special. Russia is preparing to possible cuts to external servers. (...)
There is a BRICS project to ensure cybersecurity and robustness of the members' Internet systems to ensure continuing function within and between members in the event of an external disruption. I posted on this previously, possibly on this thread. I suspect that what is happening here is a test of the actual system within Russia.

I believe that what the test would do is to briefly shut down external Internet connections and then "reboot" the Internet within Russia and see if everything still works. That includes stuff like DNS (the Internet equivalent of a "phone book") and BGP (how equipment finds out how to route packets between major networks).

There are numerous mainstream media reports which say the US has something similar, but they have never tested it. In the US it is usually called an "Internet kill switch", as it is intended to also be able to completely shut down the Internet within the US, if the government orders it. This was brought in under Obama during his early days in power, and there was much panic after Trump was elected over the thought of having his finger on the "Internet kill button". It was implemented by simply telling the major telecommunications companies that they had to be able to do it. Many serious observers however expect a complete shambles if it is ever seriously needed.
 

Sadurian

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I haven't found anything interesting here. Why don't you quote your source? For the same reason?
The link is to the Chatham House website (i.e. RUSI). The article title bar states that it was written by Dr. Nigel Gould-Davies, Associate Fellow in the Russia and Eurasia Programme, and that the article originally appeared in 'The Hill'.

How much more source information do you need?
 
The link is to the Chatham House website (i.e. RUSI). The article title bar states that it was written by Dr. Nigel Gould-Davies, Associate Fellow in the Russia and Eurasia Programme, and that the article originally appeared in 'The Hill'.

How much more source information do you need?
But it’s not on RT!
 
The link is to the Chatham House website (i.e. RUSI). The article title bar states that it was written by Dr. Nigel Gould-Davies, Associate Fellow in the Russia and Eurasia Programme, and that the article originally appeared in 'The Hill'.

How much more source information do you need?
It's not about actually getting the information requested, but superficially making it look as if the information isn't there, thus causing doubt in the report for those not actually opening the report to look themselves. This is typical 'Soviet style' misinformation. Quite effective if you aren't looking for it.
 
The link is to the Chatham House website (i.e. RUSI). The article title bar states that it was written by Dr. Nigel Gould-Davies, Associate Fellow in the Russia and Eurasia Programme, and that the article originally appeared in 'The Hill'.

How much more source information do you need?
Don't need but rather expect ... expect to see anything interesting, informative in the article itself. As for the author then I hear about him for the first time. However, any voice should be heard, any opinion has right to be expressed.
But it’s not on RT!
Franakly speaking I rarely look at RT - a flagship of vast Putin's agitprop machine.
 
It's not about actually getting the information requested, but superficially making it look as if the information isn't there, thus causing doubt in the report for those not actually opening the report to look themselves. This is typical 'Soviet style' misinformation. Quite effective if you aren't looking for it.
Well, if you find the article valuable then please quote the most interesting and informative fragment.
 
Well, if you find the article valuable then please quote the most interesting and informative fragment.
How about these?
Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons
Senior officials share growing alarm. Alexei Kudrin, a veteran Putin associate and key reform advocate, made repeated public warnings last year. He argued that Russia was now in a 'stagnant pit', that further sanctions would make Putin’s policy agenda 'unattainable', and that Russia’s main foreign policy goal should be to ease relations with the West.
Кудрин заявил о попавшей в «застойную яму» экономике России
Note, this is to bring the Russian economy up to 5th GDP in PPP. Much loved by the pro Kremlin crowd and currently has Russia as 6th behind Germany. UK is 9th btw:
Kudrin said he fell into a "stagnant pit" of the Russian economy

The head of the Accounting Chamber said that in the past ten years, the average growth rate of the economy was 1%. According to him, such low rates have not been since the Second World War

The growth rate of the Russian economy in the last decade did not exceed 1%. This was stated by the head of the Accounts Chamber (SP), Alexei Kudrin, during the Fifth International Forum of the Financial University under the government "How to get into the top five," RBC reports.

“We have been living for the last ten years with a growth rate of 1%. In general, I want to say that after the Second World War we have such a long period in the history of Russia that we lived for more than ten years with such a growth rate - 1%, there wasn’t, ”said Kudrin. Later, he clarified on Twitter that the exception is the period from 1990 to 1998, "when, due to the collapse of the Soviet Union, the collapsed planned economy and the decline in oil prices, GDP growth fell seriously."

According to the head of the Accounts Chamber, the country has fallen "into a serious stagnant pit." The potential growth rate of the Russian economy is currently about 1.6%, he added. This is below the previous forecast of 1.8%.

The head of the joint venture recalled that one of the goals of the May decree of President Vladimir Putin is to put Russia in the top 5 world economies in terms of GDP at purchasing power parity. He noted that the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development for the next three years (.pdf), which involves the achievement of this goal, has several conventions:

about the same ruble exchange rate throughout the entire forecast period;
The slowdown in the global economy is greater than, in the opinion of the Accounts Chamber, will be in reality.

Kudrin called for increased spending on education and health. And he stressed that the amount of expenditures on these areas from the federal budget “distressed him most”. In addition, according to the head of the joint venture, it is necessary to reduce the share of the state in the economy.

According to estimates by the Accounts Chamber, forecasts for Russia's GDP growth rates will not allow it to become one of the five largest economies in the world by 2024. At present, the country is in sixth place in terms of purchasing power parity, behind the target fifth in Germany.
Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons
Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of the Security Council and a leading silovik (security official), has very different views on most issues. But he, too, is worried. In August he told regional governors that Western sanctions were creating 'serious problems' for the oil and gas sector due to Russia’s dependence on foreign capital and technology.
Паев заявил о пемаэнеике из-за оя доа к инонным ологиям
Patrushev said the problems in the energy sector due to lack of access to foreign technologies

Moscow. August 3rd. INTERFAX.RU - Dependence on foreign money and technology creates serious problems for Russian energy companies after the introduction of sanctions, especially in the oil and gas industry, said Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev.

"The financial and technological sanctions imposed by the United States and its allies on Russian energy companies highlighted the problem of the vulnerability and dependence of domestic energy on foreign capital and foreign technologies, equipment, software," Patrushev said at a meeting with regional leaders in Central Russia on Friday anti-crime and energy security.

“In a number of areas this dependence creates serious problems. First of all, it concerns the oil and gas sector,” he noted. In this regard, he noted the need to analyze the existing sectoral plans for import substitution from the point of view of solving problems of reducing the import dependence of the branches of the fuel and energy complex. “It is advisable to further elaborate the mechanisms and incentives for the priority use by the fuel and energy industry organizations of domestic equipment and components. To do this, consider the issues of optimizing the investment programs of companies,” said the Security Council secretary.

Another important task he called ensuring the competitiveness of domestic energy companies, including through the introduction of promising high-performance technologies, including digital ones.
 

Sadurian

LE
Book Reviewer
Don't need but rather expect ... expect to see anything interesting, informative in the article itself. As for the author then I hear about him for the first time.
You evidently don't know how referencing is supposed to work. The reference should include the author, the publication or article title, and where it may be found, plus the date of publication where appropriate. A hyperlink to an online article from an online platform does all that in one fell swoop.

Zhopa described what the article covered; 'The other side of that: Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons' should have been enough to tell you that it was a piece describing evidence or opinion (evidence in this case) contrary to what you had just posted.

All the information was there and easily available. Your response reinforces the view that Russians need their information spoon-fed and pre-digested by your government before you can comprehend it. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting that you can't hear the evidence is what people have come to expect of Russia.
 
EU and US work on new Russia sanctions in response to capture of Ukrainian sailors
Talking of sanctions, it looks like the EU and US may be looking to jointly add more in view of the Russian detention of Ukrainian sailors:
The European Union and the United States are working on new sanctions against Russia following the capture of 24 Ukrainian sailors off the coast of Crimea, Sky News has learned.

Brussels and Washington are understood to be co-ordinating their action to strengthen the effect on President Vladimir Putin's regime, according to European sources.

"When there is common ground there is much better impact," one source said.

Britain and a number of other EU allies are pushing for new "restrictive measures" to be announced by the European Union in the coming weeks, three sources told Sky News.
 
Thank you very much for the quotes.

Mr.Kurdin didn't mention any sanctions. So how his statements are related to the theme of the article? It is not clear. He said that “We have been living for the last ten years with a growth rate of 1%.". Taking into account that he was Vice PM and Finace Minister (2007 - 2011) he personally bears responsibility for such low growth of Russian economy. 2008-9 global financial crisis hit Russian economy hard especially taking into account that it accompanied by steep fall of oil prices. Another fall of oil prices began in 2014 and still they are relatively low. From my point of view low oil prices affected Russian ecomony in bigger degree than all sanctions. There is only one solution - restructurization of the economy. But it needs time and as a result growth rate would be lower.
The head of FSB mr.Patrushev told about the sanctions but he mentioned only some isolated areas where the sanctions create some problems. He hasn't said that the sanctions affect Russian economy in more or less significant degree.

But the author of the article tries to create the impression that according to Russian authorities low growth rates of Russian economy are caused by the sanctions using two quotes not related to each other.
It is no more than a cheap trick of so called 'reseacher'.
 
Thank you very much for the quotes.

Mr.Kurdin didn't mention any sanctions. So how his statements are related to the theme of the article? It is not clear. He said that “We have been living for the last ten years with a growth rate of 1%.". Taking into account that he was Vice PM and Finace Minister (2007 - 2011) he personally bears responsibility for such low growth of Russian economy. 2008-9 global financial crisis hit Russian economy hard especially taking into account that it accompanied by steep fall of oil prices. Another fall of oil prices began in 2014 and still they are relatively low. From my point of view low oil prices affected Russian ecomony in bigger degree than all sanctions. There is only one solution - restructurization of the economy. But it needs time and as a result growth rate would be lower.
The head of FSB mr.Patrushev told about the sanctions but he mentioned only some isolated areas where the sanctions create some problems. He hasn't said that the sanctions affect Russian economy in more or less significant degree.

But the author of the article tries to create the impression that according to Russian authorities low growth rates of Russian economy are caused by the sanctions using two quotes not related to each other.
It is no more than a cheap trick of so called 'reseacher'.
Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons
The article contains a great many links, most from a short scan to Russian articles in ‘print’ about the Russian economy. I took the first couple that were in two paragraphs. The first post is that ‘it’s a serious stagnant pit’. Now, you could argue whether that was related to sanctions or not. However, he’s talking about investment and that Putin’s goal of 5th PPP GDP is unreachable. Why is that? Nothing to do with sanctions? Sanctions haven’t aided growth? Or sanctions have had an impact on growth?

The second is about one of the areas, energy growth that could get your economy growing more rapidly. However, the sanctions are apparently stopping access to foreign technology in that area. That’s not to say you won’t find a way round, it’s about what impact the sanctions are apparently having.

If you seriously want to keep up the ‘Checkov line’, that’s up to you. But to say the sanctions aren’t having an effect is baseless on your evidence so far

 
Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons
The article contains a great many links, most from a short scan to Russian articles in ‘print’ about the Russian economy. I took the first couple that were in two paragraphs. The first post is that ‘it’s a serious stagnant pit’. Now, you could argue whether that was related to sanctions or not. However, he’s talking about investment and that Putin’s goal of 5th PPP GDP is unreachable. Why is that? Nothing to do with sanctions? Sanctions haven’t aided growth? Or sanctions have had an impact on growth?

The second is about one of the areas, energy growth that could get your economy growing more rapidly. However, the sanctions are apparently stopping access to foreign technology in that area. That’s not to say you won’t find a way round, it’s about what impact the sanctions are apparently having.

If you seriously want to keep up the ‘Checkov line’, that’s up to you. But to say the sanctions aren’t having an effect is baseless on your evidence so far

Evidence? Evidence from any 'source' that is not russian is unreliable and obviously western propaganda. Where is your 'evidence'?
 
Russia Sanctions: Myths and Lessons
The article contains a great many links, most from a short scan to Russian articles in ‘print’ about the Russian economy. I took the first couple that were in two paragraphs. The first post is that ‘it’s a serious stagnant pit’. Now, you could argue whether that was related to sanctions or not. However, he’s talking about investment and that Putin’s goal of 5th PPP GDP is unreachable. Why is that? Nothing to do with sanctions? Sanctions haven’t aided growth? Or sanctions have had an impact on growth?

The second is about one of the areas, energy growth that could get your economy growing more rapidly. However, the sanctions are apparently stopping access to foreign technology in that area. That’s not to say you won’t find a way round, it’s about what impact the sanctions are apparently having.
Thank you very much for the comment.
Still I don't see anything interesting, informative in the article.
F1) The sanctions against Russia were imposed in 2014 after events happened in Crimea and Ukraine.
F2) However, visible slowing of Russian economy began 5 years earlier in 2009 apparenly triggered by global financial crisis and steep fall of oil prices (2008-9).
They are facts.
Anyway slowing of Russian economy can not be explained by the sanctions during the first 5 years just because the sanctions were imposed later.
There are no attempts in the article to explain the causes of the economy slowing during the 5 first years and it is essentilly important. I don't see unbiased true scientific approach to the problem by the author.
No doubt, the sanctions affect Russian economy but is their effect critically big or not? Has Russia adapted its economy to the regime of sanctions.
I suppose that reputable international rating agencies can be regarded as sources of information to answer the questions. Previously I quoted Moody's and now...
Finances. Fitch Noted the Stability of the Russian Economy to US Sanctions
Fitch apparently finds that is well adapted to the sanctions
The dependence of the Russian Ruble on oil prices has become weaker. US rating Agency noted that the flexibility of the exchange rate supports ability to reduce the effect of sanctions in Russia.
And
The growth rate of the Russian economy, according to Fitch experts, will be 1.8% in 2018 and will slow to 1.5% next year. In 2020, the rise will increase to 1.9%.
Note, it is a bit higher that 1% growth rate mentioned by mr.Kudrin. Yes, it is very slow but acceleration. Taking into account that from year to year Russia will be more and more adapted to the regime of sanctions then in the future their effect will be close to zero.

Btw, the sanctions ironically have some positive side effects.
Development of own dual purpose and oil/gas related technologies was stimulated.
Due to counter-sanction (food import ban) Russian agricultural sector received long awaited boost.
Btw, European producers being unable to export high quality cheese to Russia ... right ... invest in Russian milk plants to produce it on the spot
Крупнейшая молочная компания Германии сможет производить сыр в России
Russian anti-monopoly state agency allowed the Biggest German produced of diary products Deutsches Milchkontor to buy some plants in Russia. One of them Bobrovsky Cheese plant under supervision of the German owner produces super high quality Reganito type cheese
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During the last year we buy only this type of cheese in Lenta network supermarkets. With its super quality, delicate taste its cost (about 10 Pounds for 1 kg) is laughable.
 
Thank you very much for the comment.
Still I don't see anything interesting, informative in the article.
F1) The sanctions against Russia were imposed in 2014 after events happened in Crimea and Ukraine.
F2) However, visible slowing of Russian economy began 5 years earlier in 2009 apparenly triggered by global financial crisis and steep fall of oil prices (2008-9).
They are facts.
Anyway slowing of Russian economy can not be explained by the sanctions during the first 5 years just because the sanctions were imposed later.
There are no attempts in the article to explain the causes of the economy slowing during the 5 first years and it is essentilly important. I don't see unbiased true scientific approach to the problem by the author.
No doubt, the sanctions affect Russian economy but is their effect critically big or not? Has Russia adapted its economy to the regime of sanctions.
I suppose that reputable international rating agencies can be regarded as sources of information to answer the questions. Previously I quoted Moody's and now...
Finances. Fitch Noted the Stability of the Russian Economy to US Sanctions
Fitch apparently finds that is well adapted to the sanctions

And

Note, it is a bit higher that 1% growth rate mentioned by mr.Kudrin. Yes, it is very slow but acceleration. Taking into account that from year to year Russia will be more and more adapted to the regime of sanctions then in the future their effect will be close to zero.

Btw, the sanctions ironically have some positive side effects.
Development of own dual purpose and oil/gas related technologies was stimulated.
Due to counter-sanction (food import ban) Russian agricultural sector received long awaited boost.
Btw, European producers being unable to export high quality cheese to Russia ... right ... invest in Russian milk plants to produce it on the spot
Крупнейшая молочная компания Германии сможет производить сыр в России
Russian anti-monopoly state agency allowed the Biggest German produced of diary products Deutsches Milchkontor to buy some plants in Russia. One of them Bobrovsky Cheese plant under supervision of the German owner produces super high quality Reganito type cheese
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During the last year we buy only this type of cheese in Lenta network supermarkets. With its super quality, delicate taste its cost (about 10 Pounds for 1 kg) is laughable.
TBH Sergey, even if I said the earth was a sphere and linked to articles saying the earth was sphere, you'd still say it was flat as that is what the Kremlin says.

It is debatable whether the sanctions have had none, little or a substantial effect on the economy of Russia. A few things point to where the economy would undoubtedly improve if access were granted such as access to technical equipment. However, you won't accept the findings.

A few things point to sanctions on individuals who have cut ties with Russian companies and funnily enough the sanctions have been lifted. If the sanctions were worthless, why would they need to be cut? why even ask for them to be cut?

The biggest factor seems to be the states 'dismissal' of sanctions, but then say further ones are unwarranted. If they're ineffectual, why bother saying further ones are unwarranted or illegal? It shouldn't matter.

Checking in a parallel universe how a Russia which didn't steal parts of neighbours, use CBRN and support the use of CBRN, meddle in elections etc etc. would we would find a chart which shows a Russian economy booming since 2009? Or would it still be 'stagnating in a swamp' as is the case in this timeline? Or even 'highly likely' showing a steady increase since 2009?

I look forward to your dismissal of sanctions in the future and also to pick you up every time you say sanctions should be removed as if you sincerely believe they are ineffectual, why does it matter if they're imposed? Alternatively, you could admit they have had an effect which may be largely unquantifiable but an effect nonetheless. Your call.
 

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