Decision soon on next tranche of Eurofighter Typhoons?

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  1. From today's FT.

    It looks like the two sides of the debate are publicly airing their arguments in the run up to a decision inthe very near future.

    UK faces bill to cancel Eurofighter order

    Cancellation of the UK’s latest order of Eurofighter Typhoon jets could cost the country more than £2bn in penalties and would break contingent deals on maintenance and upgrades, leaving Britain facing yet higher bills, according to senior Whitehall sources.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc9319a4-3d9d-11de-a85e-00144feabdc0.html
     
  2. Don't see what was wrong with the Sopwith Camel!

    Perfectly good aircraft :D

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  3. One of many difficult funding issues:

    A400M
    Type-45 destroyers
    Trident
    Aircraft carriers
    F35 JSF

    Eurofighter just happens to be at the top of the list
     
  4. No it isn't - you've got A400M at the top. Eurofighter isn't even on it.
     
  5. Sigh. Happy now?

    Here is a joy you can file under "General Misery"


    Military training exercises cut by half due to cost-cutting by MoD



    "Figures obtained by The Daily Telegraph show that 25 of the 48 planned exercises for this year have been slashed and over the last six years one in five a year has been cancelled."


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5303939/Military-training-exercises-cut-by-half-due-to-cost-cutting-by-MoD.html
     
  6. just claim the Eurofighter, A400M, Type-45 destroyers, Trident, Aircraft carriers and F35 JSF on MP's expenses ... no-one will notice.
     
  7. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    I understand government to government sales are included in our overall committment so if we sell some to the arabs (Oman I think) then it will reduce our overall spend.

    I still think we should go for the full amount and bin the F35/JCA and CVF
     
  8. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    If memory serves, when the Germans were looking a little wobbly and thinking of pulling out we sewed up the contracts so tight that even if you don't take some aircraft you pay anyway. So even if we don't take tranche 3 we have to pay for them under the terms of the contract. We'd be better off taking them and trying to flog them on at half price to anyone that will take them.
     
  9. Flight

    Flight LE Book Reviewer

    Tranche 3 is for 236 aircraft in total however there are talks being held to cut this into two batches, 3A and 3B. 3A is likely to be 107 aircraft of which we are looking at 48. It seems as though they're hoping that Oman orders some or that Saudi orders more so that we can offset our own buys against the contracted minimums.

    As already stated cancellation would cost almost as much as buying them and then putting them in the nearest skip.

    The logic of ordering £80+ million JSFs (first three seemed to be more like £150m) whilst cutting £40+ million Eurofighters is mindboggling when you look at the capabilities of the two airframes.
     
  10. If we can't flog our latest tranche, then we are better off keeping it rather than paying BAe off, even if this is on a whole life costs basis. Think there will be some wheeler dealing behind closed doors, as don't forget who is building a large part of JSF (BAe again), and there isn't as much of a water tight deal on that one yet - eg play fair with Typhoon and we won't cancel the JSF programme. Anyhow, at least Typhoon flies, and we know that it works pretty well, so the risk to the MOD is a little less.

    Sadly, doesn't bode well for FRES UV, so MASTIFF it will be? The bigger issue is how (if) we bring UORs into core and then start working out their whole life costs.
     
  11. Flight

    Flight LE Book Reviewer

    BAEs workshare on the JSF isn't dependant upon UK orders, a bargain for the money we initially invested considering the number of airframes that are due to be produced.

    Unless its genuinely stealthy it really doesn't offer a great deal that the Typhoon doesn't and is looking to be far more expensive.

    My feeling is that budgetary issues are forcing the postponement of the buy rather than actual cuts, using the foreign orders to replace ringfenced production slots so that future buys spread the cost over future defence budgets.