Death during training.

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So I'm on a six mile TAB with a Signaller mate of mine (I'm training for Phase 1) and I decide to bring up my favourite subject... the Army and Army training :) My mate turns to me and says that as little as fifteen years ago, people used to die during phase 1 training from things like dehydration etc. Now I know, like many of my friends that this guy bullshits to the extreme but I would like to hear it from soldiers who have been there and done it. Have soldiers died during training within the last twenty years and was it common?
 
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Has happened (I think an OCdt at Sandhurst died of dehydration a good few years ago on a tab) but it is pretty rare. There is quite a big duty of care thing going on with everybody reminded to drink lots of non alcoholic drinks the night before tabbing etc. The night before my run in on my A2 POM we were sat down in a hangar and had to drink two full waterbottles (4 pints) before being allowed to get our heads down.
 
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correct, an O/CDT died on the intake before mine on a tab of a heat related illness - that said RMAS is more demanding than ph1 so i wouldn't worry about it
 
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Danny_Dravot said:
correct, an O/CDT died on the intake before mine on a tab of a heat related illness - that said RMAS is more demanding than ph1 so i wouldn't worry about it
I would agree, RMAS is a lot more demanding as you have an operation to remove your common sense and replace it with chippyness and a belief that everything that officers do is right and harder than what soldiers do.
 
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plant_life said:
Danny_Dravot said:
correct, an O/CDT died on the intake before mine on a tab of a heat related illness - that said RMAS is more demanding than ph1 so i wouldn't worry about it
I would agree, RMAS is a lot more demanding as you have an operation to remove your common sense and replace it with chippyness and a belief that everything that officers do is right and harder than what soldiers do.
absolutely!!!
 
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MilitaryMind said:
Anybody explain what 'tabs' are ?
Tactical Advance to Battle

running over lots of hills carrying a bergen and a weapon. Doesn't count if it isn't raining.
 
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One died at Catterick (mid 90s) when I was there. Lad collapsed at the end of a session. Turned out that the poor sod had sickle cell anaemia which hadn't been picked up.

Going back a little more, I think there was one killed on the ranges in Juniors at Ouston (89-90?), shot in the back by the man in the next lane. Believe his death led to the changes in drill for the advance to contact live firing practises, inserting "make safe" where there had been a simple "apply safety catches" before.

And no it isn't common at all.
 
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Warrior-Webbing said:
Spotter head on ..... TAB = Tactical Advance to Battle - done by the Army, marines yomp
Surely this acronym was made up after the word tab?

I mean it's not terribly tactical - heavy breathing, slapping feet, wailing, crying, etc!
 
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yeah but, in theory, the guys arrive at their destination ready to fight instantly if need be, i believe.
 
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plant_life said:
Has happened (I think an OCdt at Sandhurst died of dehydration a good few years ago on a tab) but it is pretty rare. There is quite a big duty of care thing going on with everybody reminded to drink lots of non alcoholic drinks the night before tabbing etc. The night before my run in on my A2 POM we were sat down in a hangar and had to drink two full waterbottles (4 pints) before being allowed to get our heads down.
I think they attributed his death to drinking Red Bull and popping Proplus to stay awake during an exercise. Caffeine being a diuretic (sp?) I suppose.

I know that caffeine supplements were banned when I got to Sandhurst in 2001, I think as a result of this death.

S_R
 
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Lampard said:
MilitaryMind said:
Anybody explain what 'tabs' are ?
Tactical Advance to Battlequote]

Sorry, but bolloks. 'Tab' is old English for feet. Tabbing is just old slang for walking somewhere. It's nothing to do with 'tactical advance into battle' or any other such waltish acronyms.
 
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