DEAR PM, I'M A TERRITORIAL, GET ME OUT OF HERE

#2
I would say it is definitely true, and he has a very real and justified grievance.

It's my opnion that the TA shouldn't have been there anyways because that is not their role, and even if they have been put in that position, neither are they professional soldiers, and shouldn't be expected to like going through the tour process a regular would.

Let's face it, if they wanted to serve abroad, and serve under the same conditions and time as a regular they would have joined the regular fcuking army, and not the TA.
 
#4
Everybody who has joined the TA since GW1 must have been aware that they would more than likely be called up in the event of a further action.  Christ we've had Boz, Kosovo, Macedonia, Sierre Leonne and Afghanistan since then and each of those theatres (probably not SL) has had a TA contingent, so what do people expect.  If you joined the TA to stay at home, then you joined for the wrong reason and you're giving the TA a bad name by whining about it.  They (and I expect that it will be a number equitable to the amount of whingers we have in the Regs, i.e. the odd 1 or 2, who wouldn't be happy anywhere) should stop whinging and get on with it.  

So, there's a bit of the STAB/ARAB thing going on.  F*ck sakes, rise above it.  If they are being fed on compo whilst the Regs are getting fresh (I'm doubtful of that claim), then it's down to the TA commanders to sort it out for their blokes.  Don't they all eat at the same place?   I always have when I've served alongside the TA.  

I'm pretty sure that there are quite a few TA Officers who couldn't give a rat's ass about protocol, if it meant feeding their blokes properly.  They're not Regular Officers and don't have careers to worry about.

So, some b*ggers chick has left him.  Whoopdeedoo.  If that's the case, the relationship wasn't strong enough to begin with, so he's better off out of it.   Christ, you'd think he was the first squaddie to get 'Dear John'd'.

As for the leaving family behind, well............welcome to the Army folks!  It happens all of the time to us.

I don't agree with differences on Ops, we're all in the same gear, so fair shares all round, but then again, I've never seen any 'differences' on Ops, so I doubt the allegation has much substance.  As for the rank thing..........grow up and stop taking it so seriously.  

If the Regs that the Sgt is attached to (he says he's from 1 GS is that a TA unit? or a Reg unit?) are acting like gits, then they must be a sh*te unit with sh*te command.  But then, is everything he says true...............they do say that a whinging Tom is a happy Tom!  Perhaps he should just try to make the best of a bad thing, that's what we're famous for isn't it?  

And when he gets back, he should hand his gear in.
 
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#5
Dear mummy and Daddy,

the pay is fine (ish)The weather is hot,  will you please send a letter to sir cause I want to come home, I don't like it here and  I want to show off my medal to my mates, so they think I'm a hero, but please don't let anyone know cause then they will know I'm a cnut really.....
 
#6
What, in your opinion, is their role then?
The TA is a home defence force, hence the word territorial.

In my experience they were always chucked in with the regs anyways, so I don't believe, though it may be true, that a TA unit has made up a full fighting unit, more like a Zulu company.

But regardless of various conflicts in the past decade or so, if you join the TA you won't expect a six month tour.

It's easy for regulars to take the piss, and my first instinct is to do just that, but these are essentially civvies, whatever they call themselves and however they are trained.

I also agree with another of the posters that I don't believe they are still getting fed compo and the regs getting fresh.
 

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#7
Let's face it, if they wanted to serve abroad, and serve under the same conditions and time as a regular they would have joined the regular fcuking army, and not the TA.
Unfortunately some people like me have served 22 years in the Regular Army and have served 500+ days LSSA abroad, but have chosen to join the TA as an opportunity to continue our careers, possibly serve abroad if required. But unfortunatley the TA soldier will always have prejudice thrown at him from the Regulars, because of what he is- A wannabe and part-timer. But the TA soldier is there to augment and provide some relief for the ARAB on the dull Balkans tours and Falkland Islands.

So please dont post statements that slate people like me who have possibly been on more tours than you and served more time than you. People chose the TA as a sideline. I agree some aren't worth their bounty but others put the Regulars to shame like you- if you are in fact a regular Soldier.

Be you regular or TA you still deserve respect for wearing a uniform in whatever circumstances- and your opinion is borne out of ignorants and a pre concieved ideas. You dont even grasp the role of the TA.

Reference professionalism, a fair part of the Medical effort in the Gulf are TA and they are the surgeons, nurses and medics saving Regular soldiers lives.
 
#8
then it's down to the TA commanders to sort it out for their blokes.
The point is the TA commanders aren't out there to look out for their blokes, which is the problem with using the TA as individual reinforcements (which would appear to be the case here) as opposed to the formed units that they train to be.

S.
 
#9
So please dont post statements that slate people like me who have possibly been on more tours than you and served more time than you. People chose the TA as a sideline. I agree some aren't worth their bounty but others put the Regulars to shame like you- if you are in fact a regular Soldier.
For a start, I doubt even with 22 years you've served more tours than me, but no matter, you have served more time.

What's getting you so hot under the collar? Nobody slated the TA, in fact, if you read the post you'll see I was standing up for them. The TA is 'NOT' the professional army, and 'IF' they wanted to be they would JOIN the regulars, which is exactly what I said.

But I do take exception that some TA might have put me to shame, that's laughable. If you did serve for 22 years, what mob? This is an especially interesting question considering you think some TA might put regulars to shame. I'm no longer serving, but while I was I had more than a little experience of TA. But for all that I respect and appreciate the TA, but they aren't regulars, shouldn't be expected to do what regulars do, and shouldn't be treated like regulars with regards operational tours. Except for medics, and that's always been the case.

Maybe reading posts with more care will in the future save you looking like an arrsehole, I slated nobody and in fact was doing the exact opposite.

Be you regular or TA you still deserve respect for wearing a uniform in whatever circumstances- and your opinion is borne out of ignorants and a pre concieved ideas. You dont even grasp the role of the TA.
I don't think this piece of rhetorical shyte is even deserving of an answer, but it was you that said they were part timers and wannabes. The role of the TA? You've already showed your ignorance of it, or what it always was and should be. It's only relatively recently because of more and more overseas commitments that they have been used to much.

Lastly, you haven't served as a regular and I would say your only experience is with TA.

Next time read the posts.
 
#10
Shoota - That's not the point at all, but if the individual is being singled out, then he/she should have the courage to approach the Regular Commander and report the matter.   If he is indeed being singled out, I doubt that the reason behind it is that he is TA.  It's more than probably not, the fact that he is a chod, who bleats all day and night.

Now we can argue about this until the cows come home, but the fact is that he is a SNCO, irrespective of whether TA or Reg, and he prefers to whine and tell tales to his parents, rather than do what he should do.   That being, get in there and sort out a better deal for your troops.  You don't need officers to get that sort of thing done.  He should be well in with the CQMS's, WO's and the cooks.  If he's in field conditions and  can't get decent scoff for his troops by hook or by crook, then he's failed the initiative test.   But like i said in my previous post, I doubt there's discrimination at the field kitchen.   He sounds like one of life's whiners.  And bollox to the dictionary meaning of 'Territorial', you wear the kit, you draw the money, you get the bounty, now earn it, just like the rest of the TA who, when deployed, go about their duties as soldiers, without complaint.  

If he's unhappy, he should quit on his return.  I'm sure there's some full screw out there holding it all together and probably doing this clowns job (whilst he writes little notes home to his mum),  who will replace him permanantly.
 
#11
That just about covers it Masonic, and while I agree with you 100%, I have a slightly different view of the end result.

I've never seen anybody treated differently with regards scoff and sharing the work. The worst might be a bit of piss taking, but that happens between units of regulars, not just TA and regulars.

He might have a point,  but as you say, he is a sergeant and should be working with it and not whinging.
 
#12
I'm having trouble believing that a Sergeant hasn't had a word to get the scoff sorted out. I mean, he is a Sergeant, he's done the time, done the courses, so how the hell is he in this position, if he is? What about other TA troopies under his command?

6 months is the tour quoted. It was certainly the length of time quoted to the specialists from us mobilised.

I believe everyone mobilised was told that, as I think at the time, we didn't expect the war to last 6 days or whatever, and now that the regs have got their units up to something approaching wartime establishment, no, they don't want to let them go.

I mean, FFS this Sgt. is a loggie, now I always thoght that was one step up from Fagins Apprentice. You mean he can't arrange any fresh at all? Or he hasn't had a word with the Master Gyppo?

Sorry, it sounds cock

PTP
 

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#13
Lastly, you haven't served as a regular and I would say your only experience is with TA.

Next time read the posts.
I read your post and your signature block which states you were maybe in the REME as an Armourer, so your numerous tours statement leaves me slightly bewildered.

Please don't try and guess my career and service, as I won't bother to dream up yours. You obviously do that well enough for yourself.

Let me just put you right, I've served with the TA as a PSI, serving as TA at the moment, nd if you had read my post the phrase part-timers and wannabes is the perceived opinion of 90% of Regulars. And as an Ex Warrant Officer I agree a Sgt should be able to approach an other SNCO and get his tucker sorted! Oh and lets not forget the two Regulars from 16AA Bde who were sent back prior to the conflict.
 
#14
SW,

It's not true, it's a wind up and look how much hot air (electrons?) has been generated just on ARRSE ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cheers,
msr
 
#16
I read your post and your signature block which states you were maybe in the REME as an Armourer, so your numerous tours statement leaves me slightly bewildered
If you're slightly bewildered, this shows you must have been very insulated. During a time when I was recuperating I served six weeks with a PRE team working out of 24Inf HQ, and I saw and dealt with TA at base unit level, as well as on the ground.

But you being slightly bewildered is the teller for me, it's a usual mistake from a lot of people that think REME serve in workshops only, go on over there and find out, gee, with all that service too....

Next time we would save all this if you just bothered to read the posts properly in the first place.
 
#17
I really, really do love arrse.  :)  :)  :)  :)

It's full of people that are either ex serving members or members of the TA who spend their time bitching at each other.

Keep up the good work fella's. I've got 29 days left on Tosca and you guys have made it fly.

Cheers

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#18
Calm down, calm down (in a dodgy scouse accent!), you can't go talking to QMan like that!  He was at Mafeking you know!  Dished out the bullets at Rorkes Drift (and I'm not talking about the pub here either), supped tea in the stores at Ypres, took charge of the 1033 pad at Gallipoli and was billing Toms for losing kit in Burma!  He's been around you know!   And before you start it's dangerous work in the stores......I remember a CQMS who broke his pen in the Gulf.  Poor bastard lost his Zippo the following day.   Didn't get a smoke for months that lad! But hey...........he soldiered on!  It wouldn't happen in todays Army!   ;D
 
#19
I know I'll get slated for this, but here goes...

I have served in the TA for five years, as a private and a Platoon Commander. I have done one attachment to the Regulars (not FTRS or S Type, just a few weeks on exercise), and I am joining the regs (RMAS) in Jan, so I have had an 'introduction' to the regulars and slightly more of an 'introduction' to the TA. What I write below comes from observation mainly of private soldiers and junior officers; less so other ranks.

There are subtle differences between the end-product of the two. The TA soldier is giving up his free time to follow a hobby (and often a passion) that he has had to sacrifice time with his family and often money to do, and which he can leave at any time. His training is also split down into weekends and two week courses spread over a number of years. The Territorial is also generally more mature (at private soldier level anyway) as the average age of joining is higher, and recruits will normally have civilian experience of work and a higher level of education. This also allows them to bring a new perspective to old problems, as they are often able to draw on their civilian experience.

The regular soldier trains day in day out, and has to be there whether he likes it (and learns) or not (in which case he stops concentrating). If he is based in Germany he may be thinking about home. If he has had a number of operational tours then he may be getting 'course fatigue' or 'tour fatigue'. Because many courses are several weeks in length at least, he may be experiencing 'course fatigue'. Some will have joined as a career of second choice, whilst others will be wanting to leave. But the fact that they are full time professionals means that the amount of training time and facilities allows them to reach, obviously, a higher standard of proficiency than their reservist counterparts.

Many TA soldiers are not enthusiastic; many don't like giving up every weekend, or using their free time to maintain their fitness, or do their own personal research, or perform essential admin such as lesson plans or paperwork. But then nor do some regulars. Conversely, there are many TA soldiers who do. Personally I was away for around 90 weekends out of 104 between 2001 and 2002 including around 12-16 weeks full time training, some of it unpaid, on top of my civilian occupation (admittedly it is quite easy for me to arrange it around the TA), and there are many others like me. A lot of regular soldiers show similar or greater levels of commitment, not least of which is a far greater chance of being sent away from home for six months on a regular basis, uprooting their families every few years, and so on.

The key benefit of the TA soldier is his enthusiasm, due to the voluntary nature of his commitment. He does not (or should not) claim to be as good as the regs (although some do), but is -generally- good at what he does. That is, being a reserve, a home defence force, a battle casualty replacement, doing platoon and company attacks, and so on. In fact, one of my PSIs thinks that some of the guys in my unit are better soldiers than the privates back at his battalion (he is, incidentally, a Para).

Generally I have seen that TA soldiers can reach very high standards at the individual up to company level in the core soldiering skills. However, whilst their training can be deep, it is also narrow. Where the regulars have  the advantage is when it comes to the more specialist skills - so their training is at least as deep, but also wider.

I'm interested to hear balanced opinions from everybody else!
 
#20
This, from the start and seems perfectly clear, at least to those who read the posts properly, is exactly my point.

A reg is a reg, and a terry a terry.

If a terry wanted to be treated like a reg, he would join the regs, as you are doing, or else he would stick to his role and his service as he chose, and be expected to be treated in that role he chose. This is why I think the bloke in Iraq has a point, if it's true.

I was sticking up for them and their attitude, and got slated for it, but it goes to show that terrys are sensitive souls... ;D
 

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