Dealing With Empties (Magazines that is)

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Any suggestions that I may have missed? BTW dealing with SLR or SMG magazines probably doesn't count!

On the odd occasion that a movie sees fit to allow the hero to require a magazine change in the middle of a firefight you still never see what happens to the empty one. Although simply discarding them is a possibility, in reality you probably need to stash them somewhere quick and easy on your person. This has many advantages, including denying them to the enemy, ensuring that you keep hold of magazines you know are well looked after and, of course, retaining good relations with your chain of command!

Although you can return empty magazines to the pouch from which they came this has a number of serious disadvantages. Not only is it likely to be fairly tricky to get them back into a pouch which is normally optimised for quick withdrawal you also run the risk of confusing empty and full magazines in the heat of the moment. Definitely not ideal!

Once upon a time, it was accepted that empty magazines were simply stuffed down the front of your smock relying on your webbing belt to hold them in there. After things had calmed down you simply transferred them to somewhere more convenient, or refilled as appropriate. With body armour this is no longer possible so alternate means are required.

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We’re aware of two main methods that have gained in favour over recent years. The most popular appears to be foldable Molle dump pouches which are attached to an individual’s body armour, assault vest/harness or battle belt. When required these are quickly unfolded using a Velcro or studs fastener to provide an empty pouch into which magazines can be dropped. An elasticated draw cord at the mouth can be pulled tight to ensure that nothing is lost. These can also double up as bags to hold items removed during individual or property searches.

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The other method are drop leg dump pouches which are secured to a belt and hang about mid thigh. These tend to have an elasticated ‘mouth’ or Velcro cover to ensure magazines remain secured once inside. Key benefits include normally having a larger capacity than the foldable pouches and easier access when in the prone position. A negative is that having something strapped to your leg can become an irritant so they’re probably more appropriate when contact is likely.

Both the foldable and drop leg dump pouch are excellent solutions to the problem of empty magazines. The decision about which way to go will largely depend on your mission and reading of the tactical situation. We’d recommend the foldable dump pouch as something that should always be on your kit with the drop leg pouch available for occasions when things are likely to get a bit tasty. Either way, you can be reassured that you won’t be leaving empties all over the battlefield!
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I bloody HATE having anything attached to my leg! especially when you have 4 empty magazines rattleing about in there when you are running, granted my experience was with the metal magazines but i doubt it will be that much different with the polymer E-mags. I ran my dump pouch on my beltline. Best place for it.
 
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Bearing in mind I no longer run around with the Queens shilling in my wallet but I do shoot very regularly. I pretty much looked at everything out there and even have the opportunity to have stuff made for me as I want it done and I chose the simple roll up style pouch made by a popular US company. I use the pouch for variously dumping rifle or pistol mags and if I'm doing shotgun I use it to carry extra shells.

I hate stuff rattling around my legs when I am moving, so much so that for my range poseur walt gear I even unpick and remove any side leg pockets from "tacticool trousers". Having shot with many septics both military and police SWAT who can also pretty much buy [or use] what they want I have noticed that most of them also go for the simple roll up dump pouch route.

One thing I would like though is a more substansive collar/lip just inside and down about an inch from the top of the pouch just to make sure nowt jumps out. No, I do not like the elasticktrickery at the top of the leg affixed dump pouch, I have looked at similar and it just an added extra that may at sometime cause an un-needed complication.
 

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I've often thought about a good solution to this and the best I can come up with is a Minimi pouch with the lid removed and a rubber letterbox style opening in the top which allows you to 'post' empties in quickly and easily, without them being able to fall out.

I even made a working prototype once using bits of an old NBC welly stitched to a pouch. It worked pretty well, but the rubber needed to be thicker.

You can have that idea for free.
 
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Can't they just make the plates in the body armour magnetic? Then you could just stick the mags to yourself when you've finished with them! :D
 
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I have a rolly polly dump pouch on my belt kit. Not only can you fit mags in but also very young children.
 

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I have a rolly polly dump pouch on my belt kit. Not only can you fit mags in but also very young children.
Doesn't Multicam webbing make you stand out when loitering outside the crèche ?
 
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old 24 hrs "babys head"
 
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Fuzzy Felt ?
 

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I bloody HATE having anything attached to my leg! especially when you have 4 empty magazines rattleing about in there when you are running, granted my experience was with the metal magazines but i doubt it will be that much different with the polymer E-mags. I ran my dump pouch on my beltline. Best place for it.
Like you I'm not keen on having stuff banging into my legs but I guess the point is that it is down to personal preferences and your particular role. I guess that is why the foldable dump pouches seem to be the most popular.

We've also just got another option in which is the one mentioned by Effendi. Its a Molle roll up dump pouch that you can attach to either your battle belt or body armour.
 
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I have a rolly polly dump pouch on my belt kit. Not only can you fit mags in but also very young children.
Here is another pic. with the pouch rolled up and the baby put to bed.
 

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What firefight are you in, a CoD Zombies episode? Just shove em in your pocket till you get a spare second then shove em back in your pouches!
 
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What firefight are you in, a CoD Zombies episode? Just shove em in your pocket till you get a spare second then shove em back in your pouches!
Back in the Boer war when we were using the SLR you had your smock zip open and threw them inside the smock. The webbing belt around the waist stopped the mags from sliding down into yer keks.

Blame the US Rangers, their Mogadishu adventure and their loss of a Blackhawk for the advent of the dump pouch. They were always taught to fire a mag until empty then ditch it, the theory being that they would be resupped with full mags - did'nt work that way at Mogadishu. They ditched mags and got resupped with boxes of ammo and then had to try and find mags to fill. Soon after came the dump pouch, to prevent a similar faux pas.
 
#18
On the floor if you're in a rush, in your pouch if your not.
 
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You can't shove the mags down your smock when your wearing osprey granddad.
 

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