Deafness

#1
I need some advice on this one. When i was 2-3 years old i had meningitis and as a side effect i am totally deaf in one ear (my right one.) Since then i've been through the ACF and done a fair bit of shooting and found that it does affect me to a certain degree. For one my hearing is more sensitive and so i HAVE to shoot with ear defenders on. Secondly i cannot judge direction by sound at all. So I guess that would make me a liability.

I've asked several army recruiters if i would still be accepted into the forces and their answer has allways been "i'm not qualified to answer that sir." The other response that i've heard is "just lie on the hearing test." Well it'll be on all my records, so thats just stupid. So my questions are:

What do you think of my chances of getting in, even as a non-combatant?
Is it worth going for a medical, even if i'm still unsure if the army is for me?
Can anyone think of any jobs that are along the same line, if i can't make the forces?

cheers
LJ
 
#3
I`m afraid the medical PULHEEMS entry standards are quite clear. If you are completly deaf in 1 ear you will fall below the minimum entry standard required for entrance into the services.
 
#4
Well thats a shitter.

Any ideas of jobs that are along the same lines as the forces? The police seemed interesting, but just not the same. And VI From's careers service is shite.
 
#6
Lance_Jackass said:
The other response that i've heard is "just lie on the hearing test." Well it'll be on all my records, so thats just stupid. So my questions are:

LJ
Bluffing the audiometry test is not possible unless there is a degree of collusion between you and the examiner. Subsequent specialist referral will see through this. If it was that easy I`m sure half of this forum would be in receipt of a war disability pension post colour service engagement for complete deafness.
 
#8
Lance_Jackass said:
Well thats a shitter.

Any ideas of jobs that are along the same lines as the forces? The police seemed interesting, but just not the same. And VI From's careers service is shite.
I`m pretty sure that the police will have minimum hearing entry standards. Not much cop (no pun intended) if you can`t hear a burgler, or instructions from your oppo if stood to the right side of you. I`m sure a serving copper will verify this.
 
#9
Lance_Jackass said:
What do you think of my chances of getting in, even as a non-combatant?
Is it worth going for a medical, even if i'm still unsure if the army is for me?
Ask the recruiting office for the contact details of the recruiting Medical Officer and call them. I did for my son and what we thought would be a definate bar isn't :)

mad_mac said:
I`m afraid the medical PULHEEMS entry standards are quite clear. If you are completly deaf in 1 ear you will fall below the minimum entry standard required for entrance into the services.
Just out of curiosity (and sorry to go off topic a bit) you can't be deaf in one ear to join but you can remain in service if you become deaf in one ear? Is that right??
 
#10
Lynxtips said:
Just out of curiosity (and sorry to go off topic a bit) you can't be deaf in one ear to join but you can remain in service if you become deaf in one ear? Is that right??
I`m sure a serving MO or medic can respond correctly to your point. IMHO if it is in the interests of the Service your Colour Service may continue.
 
#11
I joined Scottish Infantry Division with H2H2 on hearing but after a few loud bangs in NI and the RSM shouting at me at around the five year point I ended up being H3H2 then H3H3 and by the time I left at 23 year point I was H4H4 and am now 55% deaf.

If it happens when you are in AND YOUR UNIT SUPPORT YOUR STAYING then you can get a move sideways to an office job or suchlike. I can recall at least three lads who were deaf or going deaf when I was in. I was lucky and didn't end up leaving my Battalion until I'd done most of my time (apart from the odd posting) but as my hearing got gradually worse I always worried about 'what if I missed something ' or 'I didn't hear the bad guys' and got one of my mates hurt or killed.

In short, I'm really sorry but I (a) don't think you'll pass the PULHHEEMS and (b) do you want to put your mates in the unit at risk? Any job needing you to use radios or communicate with people is going to be tricky and even worse if you are deaf.

Have you thought about teaching? I'm finishing university next month and have qualified as a teacher despite being very deaf after doing my 23 and the support and equipment they give you to help you do your job is excellent. I've been helping a totally deaf girl in her first year train as a teacher and she is doing fine. Just a thought. And no, I don't get a recruiting bounty :cool:

There are plenty of things you can do just as well. Don't let your deaf ear stop you, just adapt and do something you can and do it better than others, and you'll be fine.
 
#12
Cabarfeidh said:
I've been helping a totally deaf girl in her first year train as a teacher and she is doing fine. Just a thought. And no, I don't get a recruiting bounty :cool:

There are plenty of things you can do just as well. Don't let your deaf ear stop you, just adapt and do something you can and do it better than others, and you'll be fine.
Good advice Cabarfeidh. Best of luck to you.
 
#13
There are plenty of things you can do just as well. Don't let your deaf ear stop you, just adapt and do something you can and do it better than others, and you'll be fine
Thanks mate :)

Jobs wise i've been looking at things along the same line as the forces. I don't want to be stuck in an office. Something outdoorsy would be nice.
 
#14
Lance_Jackass said:
There are plenty of things you can do just as well. Don't let your deaf ear stop you, just adapt and do something you can and do it better than others, and you'll be fine
Thanks mate :)

Jobs wise i've been looking at things along the same line as the forces. I don't want to be stuck in an office. Something outdoorsy would be nice.
Sheepherding is quite an outdoors activity :wink:
 
#15
mad_mac said:
Lynxtips said:
Just out of curiosity (and sorry to go off topic a bit) you can't be deaf in one ear to join but you can remain in service if you become deaf in one ear? Is that right??
I`m sure a serving MO or medic can respond correctly to your point. IMHO if it is in the interests of the Service your Colour Service may continue.
I'm not sure if it holds true today, but I suffered profound deafness (also in my right ear) when I was in and I continued to serve for another five years. However, I was in the RAMC, so it might be different for front-line units.

MsG
 
#16
Bugsy7 said:
I'm not sure if it holds true today, but I suffered profound deafness (also in my right ear) when I was in and I continued to serve for another five years. However, I was in the RAMC, so it might be different for front-line units.

MsG
Soldiers who are downgraded whilst serving may continue to do so if it is in the interests of the Service. I believe that the point in question was whether a pre-existing medical condition would preclude someone entry into HM Forces which, in this case would. Standards of acceptable hearing acuity are laid down in the PULHEEMS JSP and are faily uniform (apart from the RN who are given slightly more leeway with regards to miminum hearing standards for some bizarre reason), and it states quite categorically that the individual would be below the minimum standard for acceptance into HM Forces. If your already in and develop a debilitating medical condition you may remain in (subject to exigencies of Service), but if your out with it, you stay out.
 
#17
if i may pu tin my 2 pence worth, im partially partially deaf, yet i have been accepted into the ACF , i did want to join the Army , i did give it a bash , going to selection weekends , of course i didnt get in , but it is not the end of the world, you canstill do something near to it I.e. ACF or similar , life is more important wondering about what you CAN'T do , but think more on what you CAN do.

i have met many Deaf people who have jobs, Holidays , house and a Family , they are happy enough, quality of life is more important , not what you don't have.

my advice is not perfect but i do my best , just try anyway and you will know one way or the other.
 
#18
ACF = youth club in combats, not deployable troops at the sharp end of a deployment

the minimum entry standard is there for a reason, and unfortunately deafness in one ear will prevent entry to many uniformed disciplined services

once the forces have assessed you as 'fit to serve' then you become injured, the forces take the responsibility for injuring someone who joined perfectly healthy, so someone can become deaf due to exposure to noise / injury / illness etc - that is part of the risk.

sorry mate - you wont pass the medical
 

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