Deactivated SLR and IW please..

Mr Happy

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#1
Bit of a WALT question this but if we can stick to answering it rather than debating how I got to be a MOD...

I'm after a deactivated or at least 'not real' SA80A1 and SLR (Brit army issue type).

The reason being that I want to mount them as crossed rifles on a wall and since I spent 15 years with them they're close to my heart (note I'm skipping the Charlie G and Gimpy periods of my life as bad memories).

I'm not based in the UK and so any pending anti-gun-nut legislation is completely nothing to do with either me or my walt-like-ambition.

I thought about some of those rubbery things the movie companies use but the 'weapons' need to have some reality about them otherwise I'll feel like I've mounted a couple of airsofties on the wall.

Hints and tips from real walts happily accepted..

Napier, (Forum MOD) hope this doesn't count as drivel and you don't report me to the CO's!
 

Mr Happy

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#3
That's the point... The SLR is no real issue, I can in fact buy a working model without too much trouble too. The L85A1 (or A2 at a pinch) is the trickier end of the requirement.

Anyone know a QM who needs some cash quick?
 
#4
FFS Mr Happy. You ask now when I had one for sale the other month and no fooker was interested!

Pre 95 deac, 3 types of furniture with it and just lovely.

Ah well......tis gone now and it sold as a bargain.
 

Mr Happy

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#6
General Melchett said:
FFS Mr Happy. You ask now when I had one for sale the other month and no fooker was interested!

Pre 95 deac, 3 types of furniture with it and just lovely.

Ah well......tis gone now and it sold as a bargain.
Bugggerrrrrrr.

What we need is a Rozzer to nip around, pronounce the new owner as nutter and confiscate the weapon, giving him a tenner as comp. Lose the paperwork and bang it in the post to me....

OOI, what did it go for?
 
#7
De-act SLRs are available; ironically, because of the gun laws, de-acts tend to cost far more than real weapons. "Old spec" SLRs, where you can actually c*ck and strip them, fetch up to £800. The government thought they were still too dangerous, so the "new spec" versions are welded solid - these go for about £300-£400.

SA80s are very rare as de-acts, so very expensive. There are some relatively realistic (ie bits drop off) plastic airsoft versions available.

There are plenty of dealers out there:

http://www.rytonarms.co.uk/

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/deactivatedguns.htm
 
#8
Mr Happy said:
General Melchett said:
FFS Mr Happy. You ask now when I had one for sale the other month and no fooker was interested!

Pre 95 deac, 3 types of furniture with it and just lovely.

Ah well......tis gone now and it sold as a bargain.
Bugggerrrrrrr.

What we need is a Rozzer to nip around, pronounce the new owner as nutter and confiscate the weapon, giving him a tenner as comp. Lose the paperwork and bang it in the post to me....

OOI, what did it go for?
Sold it to a dealer mate for £600 it was originally advertised for £750.
 

Alsacien

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#10
HS12 said:
Mr Happy,

Try this place. They show an SLR as well as an SA80.

http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/fr_shop-1.html
I would hate to think who would spend nearly 5k on a gold plated SMG - some uberWalt wannabe ex-handbag?

I understand where Mr H is coming from though, and had thought about a deac SLR - but then I realised it is actually too thought provoking to hang on the wall. I prefer instead to get the real thing (not in UK) which is actually cheaper, and give it a nostalgic airing at the range just a few occasions per year.
BTW the SA80 is an ugly chunk of metal/plastic - the wife went for a couple of old S/S hammer guns and the like, but that is likely to end in a trade off for copper kettles and bedpans....
 
#11
if your going to stick in on the wall might as well go the airsoft route there are some new sa80 that look pretty realistic and there is an SLR coming out shortly
 
#12
On a slightly related point, I have a deac No.4 that I inherited from my grandfather with a slight problem.

It's got all moving parts etc but the firing pin (I think) has snapped and the cocking piece has thus parted company with the rest of the bolt assembly.

Since I don't have an FAC I understand it would be rather illegal for me to go out and buy another bolt so is there anyone out there with a clue as to how I can fix the thing? I've tried superglueing it back together but that didn't work. It just seems a shame to have such a magnificent piece of history in such a knackered state.
 

Mr Happy

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#13
Yeah, I can get the 'real thing' as long as it is unmodified single shot weapon and mount it on the wall but my old British bones feel uncomfortable about hanging a genuine shooter up on the wall for all and sundry (including the tennents!) to play with. Even if I do lock away the rounds...
 

Mr Happy

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#14
man_in_blue said:
Since I don't have an FAC I understand it would be rather illegal for me to go out and buy another bolt so is there anyone out there with a clue as to how I can fix the thing? I've tried superglueing it back together but that didn't work. It just seems a shame to have such a magnificent piece of history in such a knackered state.
I don't think this is illegal, it might be an idea to ring your local cop-shop and ask for teh firearms officer and ask his opinion. They're quite accomodating lads and if you drop the "grandad passed away whilst I was in Kosovo / based in Bielefeld (sp!)" then they are more than likely to be fine with you/it.

If you don't like the answe, contact your local gun smithy who'll probably manage to magic one up for you.
 
#15
Its an easy fix:

The cocking piece is held on by a powerful spring around the striker/firing pin. A collar round the firing pin traps the spring. You remove the keeper screw in the cocking piece, then unscrew the firing pin. On a normal rifle you'd need a special screwdriver that fits inside the bolt to reach slots on the pin; on your rifle you'll be able to grip the pin with pliers.

All you need is a new firing pin - these are not controlled parts and can be found at some old dealers or specialists in Enfields. If you are in the home counties, try Fultons at Bisley. I have a box of ex-deact firing pins with the tip cut off, but I'm out of the country right now.

Be aware that the firing pins for No1 and No4 rifles have different threads, but are otherwise similar.
 
#17
A bolt for a deact SMLE or No.4 is a section 1 FAC item as its a pressure bearing part. You'd need to take advice as to which parts of the bolt assembly you can legally swap.

Since october of this year the VCR bill has been in force which means that realistic imitation firearms (RIF's) can only be bought and carried by people with a good reason to have them. The act defines a good reason as reneacting etc (you must be a memeber of a recognised group and have PLI as well).

Deacts however can be bought by almost anybody!!
 
#18
Rockhopperst4 said:
A bolt for a deact SMLE or No.4 is a section 1 FAC item as its a pressure bearing part. You'd need to take advice as to which parts of the bolt assembly you can legally swap.

Since october of this year the VCR bill has been in force which means that realistic imitation firearms (RIF's) can only be bought and carried by people with a good reason to have them. The act defines a good reason as reneacting etc (you must be a memeber of a recognised group and have PLI as well).

Deacts however can be bought by almost anybody!!
These two points are a good illustration of just how stupid and dangerous the gun laws have become:

1. It is generally accepted that the "pressure bearing components" of a firearm are those that are controlled and have to be listed seperately on an FAC if not already part of a gun. The barrel, receiver, bolt and bolthead are the usual components, as changes to any of these require the weapon to be re-proofed under UK Proof law. HOWEVER there is no actual legal definition of "controlled component" in the Firearms Act, so technically any small part of a gun - even a screw or a bit of wood - could be classified as "controlled".

A bolt in a de-act Enfield has to have the face of the bolthead ground off at an angle, and the lower (hidden) locking lug removed. An unaltered bolt would usually be regarded as an FAC item and not available for sale to a de-act owner.

2. The VCR bill mostly restricts things made to look like guns - ie replicas, starting pistols, novelty cigarette lighters, airsoft, even - theoretically - resin acting props or bananas painted black. Strangely, de-acts are not covered, because they are REAL firearms.
 

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