DE Groundcrew Officer

#1
Good thing or a bad thing? I'm thinking about applying for it as I can't fly. Has anyone seen a career path set up for it and what 668 and CGTW courses would I be likely to attend?

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#2
what you should do is start 5 or 6 threads in the same forum on the same subject, that way you will get a better answer
 
#3
As you cant fly, I'd suggest throwing yourself from the top of your local multi-storey car park. The gene pool can do without another throbber.
 
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#4
Well, despite his indisputable talents, he managed to log-off, so I guess he'll make an orifice of himself someday.
 
#5
I didn't think that the AAC had a way of Officers joining directly as Ground crew? I believe with the AAC, if you are joining as an Officer but can't fly, the door is firmly closed.
 
#6
The_Goon said:
I didn't think that the AAC had a way of Officers joining directly as Ground crew? I believe with the AAC, if you are joining as an Officer but can't fly, the door is firmly closed.
Think that going to change very soon.
 
#9
drain_sniffer said:
what you should do is start 5 or 6 threads in the same forum on the same subject, that way you will get a better answer
Nowt like a bit of sarky humour
 
#10
Many apologies to all for the multiple threads, the internet connection down here at Middle Wallop can be utterly wnak. The role itself gets rubber stamped hopefully on August 1st so all being well the first YO's course will begin Feb next year when I get back off tour.
Does anyone have any idea what courses I may have to attend?

Mod could you delete the other threads please?
 
#12
DAAvn think so its down to the MOD as to whether or not they support that need or not. There is a feeling that AAC soldiers are not getting the benefit of being led by DE officers, also this is not inline with doctrine either.
 
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The_Goon said:
Is their actually a requirement for DE Groundcrew Officers?

No, not really. None that an LE cant fulfill anyway.

Anyway, where will all the chefs, truck park attendants and REME spanner mechs go when they get an LE commish?

At least when a DE pilot gets to a sqn, hes in charge of nothing more than his penis and underpants until hes at least a Major. The SNCO aircrew ensure he doesn't hurt himself or make a decision.

Can you image some of the noshers being let loose 'commanding' or managing a load of airtroopers? :roll:

When they do arrive (soon, as has been mentioned), they will be viewed as failed pilots and possibly not even good enough to go RLC.......... the shame!!
 
#16
I'd rather resign than transfer to the people who fly sideways in blue hairy marching suits.
 
#17
orificecadet said:
I'd rather resign than transfer to the people who fly sideways in blue hairy marching suits.
But Ground personnel dress quite nicely. And hairy blue is long since departed.

Seriously, the range of Ops Support jobs these days is stunning. I was one of the early ones to break out of my Specialisation, and had a couple of fascinating tours. These days the options are amazing. If only I had joined 15 years earlier, but they didn't take them that young, even then!!!

Good luck with your future, anyway! :)
 
#18
orificecadet said:
DAAvn think so its down to the MOD as to whether or not they support that need or not. There is a feeling that AAC soldiers are not getting the benefit of being led by DE officers, also this is not inline with doctrine either.
This will be the same DAAvn* that doesn't think there is a manning problem and thinks that all is fine and dandy in the Corps? And also the one who advocated that we should have 80% DE pilots within the Corps (hence the course loadings for the past few years) and this proving to be an utter shambles. Those DEs still have to jump the same officer corps hurdles to career progress therefore leaving a huge vacuum in actual aviation experience because they are all currently posted to SO3 Paperclip procurement jobs outside the corps leaving no one to actually fly the cabs or pass on valuable experience (that SNCOs; spec aircrew gleefully do).

* The Directorate as opposed to the actual Director.


What benifit would the soldiers get by having a brand new 'administrator' officer in charge of them as opposed to an LE with more than 22 years service and experience? I can see you are obviously brain washed already. I think you will find the real reason that the Corps is pushing for them is to relieve the already over burdened 'outside the Corps' postings such as Watchkeeping, SO3 Tampon desk officer and all the other chad valley jobs that the Corps has to produce. Cheap labour dear chap. Accept a chap at RMAS who isn't the cream of the crop (aircrew) who can do the 'Regimental Duty' trash.

Whos doctrine? Billy fucking Smart?
 
#19
EM ... good to hear your moderate views again!!

It's a bu66er when you need leaders as well as workers. The worst thing the RAF ever did was get rid of NCO aircrew. Instead, the RAF pays officers' rates to people who aren't interested in being "occifers", and loses them to civil aviation when their experience is needed as leaders. The efflux of sqn ldrs and wg cdrs must be frightening to behold ...
 
#20
Its been a massive conundrum in the Corps for ages, b_s. More so now with the Apache I'd say. A DE spends a year at RMAS, 18 months on a pilots course, another 18 months at least to get up to CR status on Apache then when he eventually goes to his sqn, he's whisked away to do all manner of 'army wide' courses. Ok, he needs to be fully educated to be an all arms player etc but he will only ever be 'conversant' with the flying game and never an expert (again, thats what the SNCOs are for. Unfortunatley, we've culled them over the past few years). No one expects an AAC officer to be a good sticks bloke (its a bonus if he is) but an awful lot of AAC DE chaps joined to fly (despite what they told the board at RMAS!). They usually get to the crunch at Capt rank and quite often jump ship (how many on the RAF and FAAs books at the moment?) because they just dont and wont fly anymore. Bringing in DE ground officers will not offset this exodus imho as the flying DEs will still need a broader army wide education if they wish to get to beyond Major.

The Corps has made a bit of a mistake hanging their hat on a shed load of DE pilots over the past few years (the view was to shove all the little darlings front seat AH). They've nearly all gone or are in jobs outside the Corps leaving a massive gap due to the lack of recruiting NCO pilots. The Corps has been a bit too focused on all things AH (understandably). The Corps is more than just one aircraft type (if it wishes another 50 years :wink: ).
 
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