De Facto Demotion

#1
I am posting about someone else (really am - he doesn't know I'm doing this), who is a new 2LT. He has been through Sandhurst, Brecon Infantry Battle School. Having been sent to his unit in a foreign country at vast expense to the taxpayer (not to mention the cost of his training), he finds that all he is doing is data entry and the odd bit of guarding. No platoon command, no patrols, no responsibility, no nothing. Believe it or not, he actually has combat experience from being in another [rather better] army.

Whenever he asks, is there a problem, his immediate superior either doesn't respond or tells him to 'just get on with it' or words to that effect.

Sound fishy to you? What's going on? My own view is that he is either just not liked (He is from an ethnic minority) and/or is believed to have committed some imaginary crime. Am I being paranoid? If not, is anything to be done?
 
#2
Shut up, better foreign army, ethnic minority, being bullied,odd bit of guarding let me rephrase that **** off wah.......
 
#3
Another rather better Army? What, was he a knight of the ******* round table? Wah!
 
#5
Believe it or not, there are better armies than the British one. Yes, it's true. Let me see, I'm thinking USMC, for example. But let's not get distracted.
 
#7
Is the USMC classed as an army?

Instead of mentioning he's not liked and then trying to tie it to him being an ethnic minority why not just shout RACIST and save some time?
 
#8
If I'd known that this forum was populated by such morons, I wouldn't have wasted my time. If you had any more intelligence, you'd be an idiot.
 
#9
Thank you for your helpful, educated reply. That tells me all I need to know about you. Want to take it outside, a*****?
No, I'm grateful for the offer cbgramc but although I am an elderly senior officer of limited physical health, I believe that this gentleman - you don't mind if I call you a gentleman, it is only in fun? -has only himself to blame for coming onto the British Army's own unofficial website and disrespecting that army wantonly. So if it were possible in cyber space to "take it outside" I would be delighted to do so. Unfortunately it isn't and so I nominate avi1500 for "The hardest man on Arrse - international section".

Also the USMC is not an Army is it, cock for brains? JJH will no doubt be delighted to adjudicate on that point, seeing as he is a respected poster on these pages and a senior officer of that service!

Finally, the ethnicity slur? Is that something you have thought up or is it something the poor soul who is your unfortunate friend has mooted to you? I know of a lot of American/part-american officers and ORs in the British Army, including in the Household Division. None of them have been forced to wear a Star Spangled Banner as a mark of their ethnic impurity to my knowledge. Or did you wish to imply that his particular battalion/regiment doesn't like black people? In which case, there is a formal route down which I would advise him to go because as an Army we are trying to change that sort of thing...and where people do not stand up for themselves on this is where the bigots win.
 
#10
He/she/it can't answer they are outside waiting for me , and its cold here so I'm stopping on the Internet.
 
#11
Believe it or not, there are better armies than the British one. Yes, it's true. Let me see, I'm thinking USMC, for example. But let's not get distracted.

I'll have a guess and take it you're hinting about the Israeli Army. "Look Avi, those kids are stoning my 65tonne massively armoured tank, which we boast has the best protection for crew in the entire world. Call in an airstrike while I brass them up with the .50cal Oi vay then give them some 120mm lovin'...."
 
#12
I am not implying anything. I have no firm evidence of racism. What I do know is that if you are hired as say, a pilot but the airline only uses you to clean the ashtrays and the sick bags, then something has gone wrong. The question is, how to put it right? I stress that I am doing this off my own bat. The person concerned has no responsibility for my actions.
 
#14
If you're not implying anything why mention he's an ethnic minority? What would you have said if he was white, British, male hetrosexual and got treated the same?
 
#15
If you're not implying anything why mention he's an ethnic minority? What would you have said if he was white, British, male hetrosexual and got treated the same?

Ah its because he has the wrong school tie old bean............ standards dear boy.
 
#17
I am posting about someone else (really am - he doesn't know I'm doing this), who is a new 2LT. He has been through Sandhurst, Brecon Infantry Battle School. Having been sent to his unit in a foreign country at vast expense to the taxpayer (not to mention the cost of his training), he finds that all he is doing is data entry and the odd bit of guarding. No platoon command, no patrols, no responsibility, no nothing. Believe it or not, he actually has combat experience from being in another [rather better] army.

Whenever he asks, is there a problem, his immediate superior either doesn't respond or tells him to 'just get on with it' or words to that effect.

Sound fishy to you? What's going on? My own view is that he is either just not liked (He is from an ethnic minority) and/or is believed to have committed some imaginary crime. Am I being paranoid? If not, is anything to be done?
You are his mummy and I claim my 4 Groats.
 
#18
Oh bugger, here I go being sensible again. This isn't the Naafi bar after all....

If, as you state, he has been posted straight to theatre then there may well be no Pl for him to command. Bns would make sure they are up to as near full manning as they can before they go so there wouldn't necessarily be any space for him when he got there. He is probably just being used for a bit of watchkeeping to get some 'experience' of what it is like out there and would then take over his Pl on return. In the situation you describe your 'friend' wouldn't have had the opportunity to do ANY of the Bn's PDT and is therefore arguably not qualified to command a Pl out there anyway, certainly the line the next Bde to go are taking...

A bit of advice though. If you start throwing accusations, and especially the race card, around in your first post on this site then you deserve everything you get....
 

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#19
So he's doing Data Entry?? There's more to soldiering than just letting off a few rounds and going out on patrol. Could be that at the moment, he's surplus to requirement in his company so has to have something to do or would he rather spend his time on tour just sunbathing?
 
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