DBS checks and schools / outside contractors.

#1
I hope this is in the correct forum, please feel free to move it if not.

I'm running a campaign targeting local primary schools offering what I call Drone Daze, basically visiting local schools, chatting to the kids about the technology of drones, how they are shaping and impacting our lives etc etc etc as well as doing class / individual and school photos etc etc etc and having a good old flying around 'fun day'.

Really simple question is, will I need to apply for some form of clearance? My understanding under the old CRB system was that you had to be part of an 'umbrella' organisation which of course as a sole trader I'm not. Again, looking at the new system it seems a similar set-up.

Any advice, as always, greatly appreciated and thanks in advance.
 
#2
As a governor for a primary I would suggest you need to get have a DBS clearance ideally at Enhanced level (I say this as it clears any questions at the word go). And I would suggest you tailor your presentation/lesson to the audience as drone technology although interesting isn't really on the syllabus, and is of questionable relevance. It would however appeal more to secondary schools and could also be useful for the Facility Manager/premises department for aerial surveys.
Photographs of children individual or group is another minefield (needs parental permission) so do go through the small print and have a look at the individual schools safeguarding policy before hand, it should be on the school website.
 
#4
Cheers guys and appreciated. It's an idea I'm toying with and really more of a fun day for primary school kids so very lightweight on theory, really just to get young minds interested. As for the photographic aspect, my USP is to transfer ownership of ALL images as well as copyright to the school so they can then sell them to parents and use them for their own marketing purposes. Even an old thicko like me could work out I don't want a hard-drive full of random images of school kids!! :)

My understanding of DBS (probably wrong) is that it's not available to individuals, again only to umbrella organisations and those under them. Also I was under the impression that it applies only to UNSUPERVISED access which of course this is not.

I understand there are issues here that need addressing so certainly not rushing into this and making us look like amateurs!
 
#5
I have had to do a few visits to school sites.

The self-employed cannot apply for DBS - you need to be "sponsored" by the school to start the process; they then hold some form of liability for your actions.

As far as I am aware you will not need a DBS unless you are left in charge of the class/club you are addressing. On the assumption that a class teacher and/or teaching assistant will be in attendance you have little to worry about.

You will find that a member of the school staff will be tasked to escort you.
 
#6
You don't need a DBS at all. You're not having regular unsupervised access to the same group of children or vulnerable adults. If an employer asked you to do one, they'd be acting unlawfully.


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#7
You don't need a DBS at all. You're not having regular unsupervised access to the same group of children or vulnerable adults. If an employer asked you to do one, they'd be acting unlawfully.


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In error, but not unlawfully, surely?
 
#8
In error, but not unlawfully, surely?
There's a dbs ninja on here who'll probably be along in a bit.

But meantime, abuse of dbs can be unlawful.

If I apply for a job with you and you hoop me off for a spent conviction and you've no right, then that's unlawful and I have a case against you.

You might find something similar to do with asking people to do unnecessary dbs checks.
 
#9
There's a dbs ninja on here who'll probably be along in a bit.

But meantime, abuse of dbs can be unlawful.

If I apply for a job with you and you hoop me off for a spent conviction and you've no right, then that's unlawful and I have a case against you.

You might find something similar to do with asking people to do unnecessary dbs checks.
Ah, now you have put some context on it! ;)
 
#10
Whether you need a DBS or not will be the decision of each individual school you visit. Technically you won't need one if you're accompanied during you visit but you'll find a lot of uninformed, over-officious (usually) Headmistresses out there.
 
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#11
I know this is not properly linked but I used the search function and this one came up and I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of the Arrse gate guardians:rolleyes:

I'm heartily sick of DBS - its a ridiculous system shot through with holes and any uncaught paedophile is going to slide through the net. My beef is I've had to have three this year [all costing me money] and I think one should be sufficient if its within a certain date. Why at a hundred quid a pop do I have to produce the same bloody form to different organisations?? Makes no sense to me other than that it is a cynical money making exercise. All of mine [and I've just checked - I've had five in the last three years] show my brush with criminality when I was a youth and my conditional discharge as a result - I was 16. I'm sick of the embarrassment this causes [I'm now quite old] but because they all seem to have to be enhanced these days.....

Would it not be better just for the form to say 'this man has nothing that will cause you any concerns' rather than 'in 1945 he was a bit naughty'

Mostly the money is what pisses me off. And no I havent been drinking.
 
#14
Have you signed up for DBS update?

Not all organisations use it but for those that do might save you some time/money?
DBS Update service very useful. Also note that if going for a volunteer position you should able to apply for the DBS check for nothing.

However, of course, various governing bodies insist one has a DBS done via their auspices. For example I have one for my job in education, another because MrsPlume works with children & I may come into contact with them, and a third to coach Rugby as the RFU won't accept either of the other two with an update check.

To add insult to injury the RFU have junped on the bandwagon of saying it is "best practice" to re-do DBS checks triennially, leading to Clubs telling volunteers, "your DBS has expired".
 
#15
I know this is not properly linked but I used the search function and this one came up and I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of the Arrse gate guardians:rolleyes:

I'm heartily sick of DBS - its a ridiculous system shot through with holes and any uncaught paedophile is going to slide through the net. My beef is I've had to have three this year [all costing me money] and I think one should be sufficient if its within a certain date. Why at a hundred quid a pop do I have to produce the same bloody form to different organisations?? Makes no sense to me other than that it is a cynical money making exercise. All of mine [and I've just checked - I've had five in the last three years] show my brush with criminality when I was a youth and my conditional discharge as a result - I was 16. I'm sick of the embarrassment this causes [I'm now quite old] but because they all seem to have to be enhanced these days.....

Would it not be better just for the form to say 'this man has nothing that will cause you any concerns' rather than 'in 1945 he was a bit naughty'

Mostly the money is what pisses me off. And no I havent been drinking.
There is a process called filtering you know. One offence can be written off.

Filtering of spent cautions / convictions - A detailed guide - theInfoHub by Unlock | for people with convictions and criminal recordstheInfoHub by Unlock | for people with convictions and criminal records

Might be worth a shot.

It won't reduce the number of checks they ask for, but might reduce the embarrassment.
 
#16
I know this is not properly linked but I used the search function and this one came up and I wouldn't want to incur the wrath of the Arrse gate guardians:rolleyes:

I'm heartily sick of DBS - its a ridiculous system shot through with holes and any uncaught paedophile is going to slide through the net. My beef is I've had to have three this year [all costing me money] and I think one should be sufficient if its within a certain date. Why at a hundred quid a pop do I have to produce the same bloody form to different organisations?? .
To keep CS and so forth employed, like most of these schemes.....
 

greyfergie

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#17
I don’t think it’s fit for purpose - it’s like an LS&GC - means you didn’t get caught.... I think if you were a paedophile with a record you wouldn’t even apply for “that job”, so what’s the point of it other than to make money?
 
#18
Used to be if no DBS then escorted by a member of staff at all times. Of course there has to be a conviction for anything to appear so if they haven't been caught they won't appear on the DSB check, enhanced or otherwise. :cool:
 

greyfergie

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#19
Used to be if no DBS then escorted by a member of staff at all times. Of course there has to be a conviction for anything to appear so if they haven't been caught they won't appear on the DSB check, enhanced or otherwise. :cool:
That’s why I think it’s just “a nice little earner”...
 
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#20
I have a list of those who I manage who I must get DBS checked. It also makes it very clear that it is illegal to ask for a DBS check for people who don't fit the criteria.
 
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