Darfur Bloodshed

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Scotsman.com

ABOUT 3,500 campaigners gathered around a huge "blood-filled" hourglass opposite Downing Street yesterday to mark the fourth anniversary of the Darfur conflict.

Politicians and celebrities also backed calls for civilian protection, in what organisers of the London protest said was their largest and most successful Global Day for Darfur.

A letter to Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, pleading for action was handed in to Gareth Thomas, the international development minister, as part of the day of action.

More than 200,000 people are estimated to have died in the bloodshed. Campaigners held aloft red egg-timers during a minute's silence and chanted, cheered and clapped during speeches.

The letter read: "Time is running out for the people of Darfur, and we urge you to keep the pressure on the government of Sudan until there is an effective peace-keeping force on the ground protecting civilians."

Celebrity pleas to governments to take action came from Hugh Grant, George Clooney, Sir Elton John and Mick Jagger, Sir Bob Geldof,

Mark Knopfler, the actresses Thandie Newton and Mia Farrow, the broadcaster Mariella Frostrup and Blur star Alex James.

Ismael Jarbo, a Darfur survivor, told the gathering: "Genocide is going on today, so we need to do something now." He called for the international community to act, possibly with military intervention.

Campaigners had placards bearing phrases such as "No more excuses" and "Protect the people of Darfur". Martin Stern, 68, a survivor of the Holocaust, took part in a march from the Cambridge area to London, to speak at yesterday's event. He walked the first and last legs of the journey, which began last Thursday, with Darfur survivors and students.

Mr Stern, of Leicester, told the gathering: "If a man in Darfur is killed, he is just as dead as an Englishman who is murdered; his family is just as bereaved."

The Darfur conflict has led to 16 unenforced United Nations resolutions, and provoked 60 statements of concern from the European Union but, according to campaigners, "zero action".

Kate Allen, the Amnesty International UK director, said: "It's vital that the UK government takes a much stronger lead in securing an effective peacekeeping force."
Yes, I am aware that the rally was held in London, therefore was all ways going to have the crowd wanting a British solution to the problem, but seriously, could UK plc help with her current deployments?

Numerous UN resolutions have been ignored by the rulers in the Darfur region, narrowing down the answers drastically, however military intervention is still one.

Just a rumour I heard once, apparently other nations in the EU have armed forces. Anybody else heard something similar?
 
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technicaldifficulties said:
I don't understand how having celebrities bleating about Darfur is going to help the area... unless we strap them to 2000lb bombs...
NOW you're talking!!

Hugh Grant strapped to a nuke Dr Strangelove like does have a certain appeal!
 
#6
Why don't the celebrities join the TA, and then get themselves over there on a tour?

All very well saying, we don't mind you using military force this time, but where were they whenthe military were being downsized?
 
#7
The African Union are not upto the job. The US and EU are bankrolling a failure in order to show that Africans can look after Africans ( they cant ) I was in Darfur for 4 months working with the AU and saw the everyday failure of troops from African countries. Exception being the Rwandans and Eygptian Police Observers who were extremely good at their job.
 

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technicaldifficulties said:
I don't understand how having celebrities bleating about Darfur is going to help the area... unless we strap them to 2000lb bombs...
I'm thinking that world statesman, or vicar, er, wotsisname . . . Tony Blair. His bum wouldn't look big in a 2,000 pounder.

Nobody seems to be bleating about the fact that this is a muslim pogrom against Christians. I wonder why that is?
 
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Biped said:
technicaldifficulties said:
I don't understand how having celebrities bleating about Darfur is going to help the area... unless we strap them to 2000lb bombs...
I'm thinking that world statesman, or vicar, er, wotsisname . . . Tony Blair. His bum wouldn't look big in a 2,000 pounder.

Nobody seems to be bleating about the fact that this is a muslim pogrom against Christians. I wonder why that is?
The Rt. Hon Vicar Blair of St Albians would be the test drop.

Biped said:
Nobody seems to be bleating about the fact that this is a muslim pogrom against Christians. I wonder why that is?
On a similar note, I saw an article selected by The Week about Iraqistan etc saying a similar thing, that although the overwhelming amount of casualties were arab on arab, and muslim on muslim, and even though some of the recent bombs were chlorine based, there was not even a murmur from the mullahs, only more rhetoric about how America and Britain are the cause of their problems (even though ever since Islam entered the fray, advancement is non-existent.....)

I saw a show (don't know which one, I was wasted) and it had a commander of one of the African Union forces, saying that he wouldn't commit his troops to intervene in a battle or event, because they might get hurt 8O
 
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It is stunning to notice, that a so called million protested about the invasion of Iraq in its first year of the War and the saying from the left and Muslims was, “It is all about Oil”

Genocide is happening in Africa such as in the past with Rwandan Hutu extremists who embarked on a genocidal campaign in which they murdered some 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus — a genocide more efficient than that of the Nazis. (http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2004/power_rwanda_nyt_040604.htm)

Now The horrors in the Darfur region of Sudan are not "like" Rwanda, any more than those in Rwanda were "like" those ordered by Hitler. The Arab-dominated government in Khartoum has armed nomadic Arab herdsmen, or Janjaweed, against rival African tribes. The government is using aerial bombardment to strafe villages and terrorize civilians into flight. And it is denying humanitarian access to some 700,000 people who are trapped in Darfur.
The Arab Muslim marauders and their government sponsors do not yet seem intent on exterminating every last African Muslim in their midst. But they do seem determined to wipe out black life in the region. The only difference between Rwanda and Darfur, said Mukesh Kapila, the former United Nations' humanitarian coordinator for Sudan, "is the numbers of dead, murdered, tortured, raped."

So where are these bleeding hearts from the million march against the Iraq War gone?
Where are the Muslims that protested across the world over silly little cartoons and who acted like rabid dogs gone?

God Knows, but one thing is clear, they are selective protestors and only protest if it is Anti US or Anti British.
The Muslims are causing genocide and as the Clash of Civilization book reveals, what we are watching in Sudan, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the middle East is the rise of Nazi Islam and its at our door already, with Brit Muslims blowing London Trains up and planning more outrages.

The koran it self says Mohhamed had black slaves, so it is no surprise Muslims are treating African Blacks as they are to day.
 
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Is Darfur any different from Bosnia?

All I know is when it is Muslims doing the killings ie the KLA in Kosovo... not a peep, when they are on the receiving end it's a different matter.

I hate to say this but are the western governments turning a blind eye purely because the innocent victims in this slaughter are Africans?

Is this why they ignore Mugabes much subtler genocide in Zimbabwe?

If so, what does it tell you about their hypocrisy?

On the other hand, if they are ignoring it because we are over committed, what does it tell you about their short sighted defence policy?

Meanwhile as the Neros in the UN fiddle... Darfur burns.
 
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cynical_stab said:
No oil. No interest.
There is, a lot too. Problem is the Chinese are there already. This I think may be part of the problem. Did the protesters in London etc ask what the Chinese are doing about it? After all they are UN members too.
 
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snornin said:
The African Union are not upto the job. The US and EU are bankrolling a failure in order to show that Africans can look after Africans ( they cant ) I was in Darfur for 4 months working with the AU and saw the everyday failure of troops from African countries. Exception being the Rwandans and Eygptian Police Observers who were extremely good at their job.
What were the main failings of the AU troops? Kit, morale, training, organisation or all of the above? Do you think there's a way to help them get the job done, or are they just not up to task full stop?
 
#15
So, we and the americans go in.....

Two weeks later, protests in london and new york (with all the same celebs) about our 'war of aggression' agianst the people of sudan.

Also, unfortunately, nothing in modern politcs is 'do the right thing, sticking to your convictions'. it's expediency, if there are not enough votes in it, it will not happen.

Ski.
 
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WhiteHorse said:
cynical_stab said:
No oil. No interest.
There is, a lot too. Problem is the Chinese are there already. This I think may be part of the problem. Did the protesters in London etc ask what the Chinese are doing about it? After all they are UN members too.
Chinese military can not yet project it self globally, even though they have an army with a total strength of 2.3 million.

http://www.sinodefence.com/organisation/default.asp


Interestingly they are Building up a naval Force to project that 2 million army and that is making the Americans very suspicious if them.

http://www.comw.org/cmp/
 
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Biped said:
technicaldifficulties said:
I don't understand how having celebrities bleating about Darfur is going to help the area... unless we strap them to 2000lb bombs...
Nobody seems to be bleating about the fact that this is a muslim pogrom against Christians.
Sorry to be pedantic, but it isn't. The 'Africans' (unsatisfactory term) in this case are Muslim too. It's the Southern blacks who are Christian, & things are relatively quiet down there at the mo.

In fact, contrary to EVERY SINGLE journalistic article about Darfur, it isn't even a conflict between 'blacks' and 'arabs'- it's one between Fur agriculturalist ('blacks') and Baggara pastoralists ('arabs') over scarce land resources. In practice, the ethnic distinctions between the two have always been very flexible, with individuals moving between the two 'ethnicities' on a economic basis. (see essay by Haaland in 'Ethnic Groups and Boundaries', Fredrik Barth, ed.)

This article may be of use if anyone's interested: www.mathematicalanthropology.org/pdf/KuznarSedlmeyer1005.pdf
 
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Rumpelstiltskin said:
Biped said:
technicaldifficulties said:
I don't understand how having celebrities bleating about Darfur is going to help the area... unless we strap them to 2000lb bombs...
Nobody seems to be bleating about the fact that this is a muslim pogrom against Christians.
Sorry to be pedantic, but it isn't. The 'Africans' (unsatisfactory term) in this case are Muslim too. It's the Southern blacks who are Christian, & things are relatively quiet down there at the mo.

In fact, contrary to EVERY SINGLE journalistic article about Darfur, it isn't even a conflict between 'blacks' and 'arabs'- it's one between Fur agriculturalist ('blacks') and Baggara pastoralists ('arabs') over scarce land resources. In practice, the ethnic distinctions between the two have always been very flexible, with individuals moving between the two 'ethnicities' on a economic basis. (see essay by Haaland in 'Ethnic Groups and Boundaries', Fredrik Barth, ed.)

This article may be of use if anyone's interested: www.mathematicalanthropology.org/pdf/KuznarSedlmeyer1005.pdf
Interesting read and views.

In this Article they claim it is over Arab Supremacy and that the Arab elite are planning ethnic Divide. "Black and Arab" and of course, like any where else where you see Muslim domination in a country, you see fanatics wanting to introduce sharia law on people (as in turkey) and force down peoples neck, Islam.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-12242004-143603/unrestricted/tquachmajorpaper.pdf
 
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