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Dannatt warns of strategic failure in Afghan

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The head of the Army warned of strategic failure in Afghanistan today as it was announced that another British soldier had died in Helmand province.

General Sir Richard Danatt, who has been accused of playing politics over the issue of equipment, demanded more troops and greater investment as part of a shopping list of desires.

His plea was broadcast minutes before the Ministry of Defence said that a soldier from 2nd Battalion The Rifles was killed during a foot patrol in Helmand yesterday. Sixteen British soldiers have been killed this month.

General Danatt said: “Quite rightly if we carry on with the kind of casualty numbers we saw last week the people of our own country might say hold on this is not a price worth paying.”

General Dannatt claimed that to continue with the present level of funding would jeopardise the mission and that could not be allowed to happen. He said it would damage Nato, perhaps terminally, dent the special relationship with America and hand a huge PR victory to al-Qaeda and Islamist extremists.

“We need to flip a coin and see what’s on the other side,” he said. “The cost of failure here is just unthinkable,”

The increasingly outspoken calls from General Dannatt led to senior Government officials questioning his behaviour this week. One junior minister accused him of “playing politics” and said: “This is a very difficult time and he should know better.”

Ministers fear that General Dannatt will launch an all-out attack on government policy when he retires as head of the Army next month.


Showing no sign of bending to the Government’s pressure, General Dannatt responded this morning by saying: “If I have crossed the line then so be it.”




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6717499.ece
 

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LE
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#2
I suspect, from this situation, that the man who cares most for the defence of the realm, and for our soldiers has taken the gloves off after the reports of a smear campaign in the papers.

Keep them coming sir!

General Sir Richard Dannatt accused of 'playing politics' over troop numbers, aircraft and equipment levels in Afghanistan?

No he isn't - the things he's speaking of are part of his JOB!
 
#3
I'm pleased that Gen Dannatt has taken the offensive on the subject of equipment and support, but I am starting to feel concerned that he may be overdoing the Press somewhat. I hope he's careful, as the Press are unreliable allies, and feel no qualms about turning on you if they feel there are newspaper sales in it.
 
#5
I respectfully disagree Magdovus. Yes the press are unreliable allies, but I say BZ to Dannatt - it is about time that an Officer as Senior as him stood up and started to fight the government on its own terms, in a language it understands.

He is doing the right thing, making people aware, and not just bending over and taking whatever cuts the govt think to impose. He has the knowledge to make them understand just WHY defense is so important, and unlike all that have gone before, he is the first to do it while in office, even though he has waited until the end.

He strikes me as fairly (and I mean this as a compliment) politically astute - he has waited to the right moment to launch his attack, when the media have already got the bit between their teeth, and any comments he makes will be front page news, as opposed to one line in a middle article.


BZ Sir, keep it up, for all our sakes. Hopefully Band and that idiotic RAF Flag waver extraordinaire Torpy will follow his lead.




edited for being a mong and unable to spell 'our'
 
#8
God rest the recently dead soldier. I'm glad to hear Dannatt speaking out, the government's criticism that ''It's a bad time'' refers not to Afghanistan but their own abysmal approval ratings and their battle for the approval of the British public. We can only hope that the (sincere lack of) government listens and appeases the public with a generous slice of funding for defence. More likely though, we're going to hear more of ''We increased the number of helicopters, and the troops have everything they need. Those who died in friday etc etc...''
 
#10
I have the solution.

Gen Dannatt should declare that the military is a Bank. Each arm is a division of said Bank. Each arm has been trading kit in ways that are unsustainable. Each arm is in dire financial need, and without it the Prime Minister's carefully constructed South Sea Bubble of financial probity will collapse.

Cue billions of taxpayers money thrown at all arms, with no accountability, and money left over for bonuses for service personnel.

Easy.

Tomorrow GRB's answer to global warming ;-)
 
#12
Yeoman_dai said:
I respectfully disagree Magdovus. Yes the press are unreliable allies, but I say BZ to Dannatt - it is about time that an Officer as Senior as him stood up and started to fight the government on its own terms, in a language it understands.

He is doing the right thing, making people aware, and not just bending over and taking whatever cuts the govt think to impose. He has the knowledge to make them understand just WHY defense is so important, and unlike all that have gone before, he is the first to do it while in office, even though he has waited until the end.

He strikes me as fairly (and I mean this as a compliment) politically astute - he has waited to the right moment to launch his attack, when the media have already got the bit between their teeth, and any comments he makes will be front page news, as opposed to one line in a middle article.


BZ Sir, keep it up, for all our sakes. Hopefully Band and that idiotic RAF Flag waver extraordinaire Torpy will follow his lead.




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I agree, he's saying the right thing at the right time, indeed I'd go so far as to say that no CGS has ever had such a favourable set of circumstances presented to him in which to make his case to the British people as a whole. We're at war and are taking casualties, the population (Trisha F*cking Goddard and her pea-brained ilk excepted) are behind the troops and are as yet largely convinced of the necessity for our presence in Afghan. The Govt. however (and Broon in particular) are discredited, distrusted, on the back foot after being widely perceived as having failed to supply and equip our soldiers properly and most important of all, on their way out and in desparate electoral straits.
The CGS is widely seen as a good egg doing the best for his men and as he is about to retire he has nothing to lose (not that I think he would do any different were this not the case.) He has been warning about this for some time and the message is starting to stick in peoples thoughts.

Crack on sir! :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
#13
Always whe they are on there way out to they start to make waves, to little to late, must have a book coming out when he retires.. just like Jacko did!
 
#14
It beggers belief that that at a time when young people are bravely giving their lives, to try to bring an end to this governments ill devised and simple sycophantic error, the man who actually knows what to do is being bedeviled by political idiots.Give the man the budget he needs to get the job done and get out of the way or suffer the wrath of the British people.We will not stand back and let you squander the lives of our brightest and best much longer!
 
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Thomothehun said:
Always whe they are on there way out to they start to make waves, to little to late, must have a book coming out when he retires.. just like Jacko did!
You must have a very short memory or a limited attention span, Gen Dannat has been making waves for the whole of his term as CGS, give credit where it's due FFS!
:roll: :roll:
 
#17
Jaeger said:
Thomothehun said:
Always whe they are on there way out to they start to make waves, to little to late, must have a book coming out when he retires.. just like Jacko did!
You must have a very short memory or a limited attention span, Gen Dannat has been making waves for the whole of his term as CGS, give credit where it's due FFS!
:roll: :roll:
Very good point & well said in ref to Gen Dannat, however has the current CGS got what he wanted???

Gen Richards is also shouting from the roof tops inrespective of the Afghanistan situation but its the Ministers who call the shots, especially the Treasury ones :evil:

As the MoD is being tasked to trim its Budget, more and more senior Officers are demanding more troops and equipment to carry out the job, Treasury officials have the last say in all these factors and the Troops on the ground are suffering due to their incompetence

A little more public and Media pressure on this spineless Government is what's needed maybe??? because Mr Brown and Co refuse to listen as per usual as its been said before in other threads (its a votes issue) :evil:
 

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#18
Oooooh look. Sir Jock-Strap and Lord Bum-Bandit have come out in favour of Gen. Sir Richard Dannatt, in the papers no less!

The wheels are coming off, and now the handbags are swinging!

The Telegraph

General Sir Richard Dannatt, the head of the Army and Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of the Defence Staff, have called for more troops and helicopters in Afghanistan.

Sir Jock said his forces needed as many helicopters as they could get and were "busting a gut" to draft more into service.

His comments are likely to cause more discomfort for Gordon Brown who on Thursday faced a grilling from MPs on equipment and troops after the Defence Select Committee warned a shortage of helicopters was undermining the "protection" of forces.

"In this situation where you have lots of improvised explosive devices, the more you can increase your tactical flexibility by moving people by helicopters then the more unpredictable your movements become to the enemy," Sir Jock said, speaking in Downing Street after talks with the Prime Minister.

"Therefore it is quite patently the case that you could save casualties by doing that."

Asked about whether British forces in Afghanistan had enough helicopters, the Air Chief Marshal said there was "no such thing as enough helicopters in an operational campaign".

"If you are an operational commander you can always do more and do things better the more helicopters you have.

"If I thought we had enough helicopters in Afghanistan frankly we wouldn't be busting a gut to get the Merlins we had deployed in Iraq ready to go out this time to Afghanistan.

"We need as many helicopters out there as we can get."

His comments followed those of Gen Dannatt, who set out a "shopping list" of new equipment he wants to protect British forces from bomb attacks in Afghanistan.
And Lord ****-Carnage:

First Minister Lord Mandelson said that the General's comments "will be taken very seriously".

Speaking in Derby, he said: "They will not go without whatever they need to carry out their very important operations in Afghanistan."

Lord Mandelson said: "I don't think that General Dannatt is politicising anything.

"He's speaking up, quite rightly, from the front, bringing first- hand knowledge and experience.

"Ministers, as well as his own colleagues, will be responding quickly."
 
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So Lord Fukkingcuntingwankerofthefirstorder Mandleson opens his gob and utters whatever plaititudes he thinks will keep the masses happy. Do you really think the cnut is off hot foot to his office to send another 30 or 40 hlicopters to Afghanistan? or do you think he'll do jack-shit whilst announcing great things?

Fair play to Sir Jock Stirrup for finally speaking up.
 

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#20
jagman said:
So Lord Fukkingcuntingwankerofthefirstorder Mandleson opens his gob and utters whatever plaititudes he thinks will keep the masses happy. Do you really think the cnut is off hot foot to his office to send another 30 or 40 hlicopters to Afghanistan? or do you think he'll do jack-s*** whilst announcing great things?

Fair play to Sir Jock Stirrup for finally speaking up.
Don't hold back, it'll give you ulcers. Say what you feel man! :twisted:
 

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