dangerously overstretched

#2
It will continue to get worse too. 2% pay rise and more ops on the way - not quite the fun orgnisation it used to be.

And before I get chewed, yes I know there are a lot of v good TA out there but there also used to be a lot more who wanted more than just rotations to ops.
 
#3
in_the_cheapseats said:
It will continue to get worse too. 2% pay rise and more ops on the way - not quite the fun orgnisation it used to be.

And before I get chewed, yes I know there are a lot of v good TA out there but there also used to be a lot more who wanted more than just rotations to ops.
I don't think you'll get chewed up at all by anyone in the real world. Being in the TA is increasingly incompatible with a career and family - as the recruiting and more importantly retention figures testify. Having policy in these areas decided by civil servants and regular soldiers with no conception whatsoever of the real issues doesn't help either - look at the fuss made over Gareth in "The Office" in the thread in the TA forum for instance. That character has no effect whatsoever on recruitment and retention, but lack of effective employment protection, lack of aftercare for injured soldiers, no pension, long waits for training, lack of funds for exercises, lack of popular support for deployments etc etc ... do.
 
#5
It doesn't help when those in the 'Ivory Towers' of MB keep telling Bliar and the Boys that we are capable of doing these Ops, what f*cking planet are they on? :x

.....Certainly not Nu Earth :!:
 
#6
RogueTrooper said:
It doesn't help when those in the 'Ivory Towers' of MB keep telling Bliar and the Boys that we are capable of doing these Ops, what f*cking planet are they on? :x

.....Certainly not Nu Earth :!:
Trouble is, we are capable. It might be wrecking the TA but we still keep coming up with the goods. Nothing will change until the wheels fall off - but of course it won't be anyone senior who pays the price.
 
#7
In 1997 one of the first things that the Labour party did when they came to power was to slash the TA to Ribbons and sell of as many drill halls as they could find. Since then they have cut countless Army Regiments until they are so short of men that they have called up the TA to cover the short falls, some thing that had never happened since the end of WW2. Now they expect these men to do two tours in three years which will not do there employment much good in civilian life. The Government now states that they are worried about the numbers of people leaving the TA, which is hardly surprising. Many governments have given out large bonuses to there troops to stay in the Army to keep this pool of well trained men, but not the British Government which just sits there and thumbs it's nose at the Forces. Now it is about time they start calling up the RN and RAF reserve forces and training them as infantry to cover the shortages.
 
#8
As has already been stated, the problem is that the blokes, both Reg. and TA keep producing the goods. We are the best army in the world, that must be true 'cos time and time again we deliver despite being overstretched, sh1te kit or no kit at all. I think it's all part of someones grand plan to prevent Britian having an emipre again 'cos if we had the funding and kit that certian other nations had we'd be unstopable!!
 
#9
As far back as i can recall, the RAF reserves have been used for operations, certainly 4624 AuxAf Sqn(movements) and most if not all the nursing/hospitals are already backing Army med services.
Perhaps, if they actually funded the Army Navy and RAF then retention might not be such a concern
But they would rather fund sports initiatives,the millenium dome and all those other high profile pieces of cr*p nobody wants or needs.
 
#11
Trouble is, we are capable. It might be wrecking the TA but we still keep coming up with the goods. Nothing will change until the wheels fall off - but of course it won't be anyone senior who pays the price.
With respect o_O.t.s., it is that sort of comment/statement that is the issue here.

Someone needs to say: 'No Bliar - or whoever - we cannot do that (for whatever reason*), get back in your box!'




* Tour Interval, Equipment availability/capability, use/overstretch of TA, etc. etc......the list goes on.
 
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#12
I can't wait till I get out the army, overstretch is just one of the many symptoms of a deliberate policy to destroy the army in order to further the European project. Nothing that is happening to the forces is as a result of incompetence. It is the result of idealogy. I will re enlist when we have an English army again!
 
#13
So Herrenbloke, do you have a large collection of tinfoil hats as well as your collection of SS Herrenvolk Marching song tapes?

My vote's on cock up rather than conspiracy, or at least short sighted dogmatic thinking (ARMY BAD!) rather than evil Dark Lord Mandy destroying the last great hope for whatever.

The last time I heard of an English army, they'd just won the war and there were ten thousand holes in Blackburn Lancashire.
 
#14
The last time I heard of an "English Army" , they were fighting a desperate rearguard action in the vicinity of Villiers Road, Kingston-on-Thames to allow Charles 1 to get across the river to Hampton Court....
 
#16
PTP as I drive home along Villiers Road in the royal borough tonight. I’ll think of the ‘English Army’ and its history. How we have been amalgamated time and again, but we are still proud and able to fight like Tigers when the blast of war blows in our ears.

Mindful of former glories.

DoE
 
#17
One_of_the_strange said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
It will continue to get worse too. 2% pay rise and more ops on the way - not quite the fun orgnisation it used to be.

And before I get chewed, yes I know there are a lot of v good TA out there but there also used to be a lot more who wanted more than just rotations to ops.
I don't think you'll get chewed up at all by anyone in the real world. Being in the TA is increasingly incompatible with a career and family - as the recruiting and more importantly retention figures testify. Having policy in these areas decided by civil servants and regular soldiers with no conception whatsoever of the real issues doesn't help either - look at the fuss made over Gareth in "The Office" in the thread in the TA forum for instance. That character has no effect whatsoever on recruitment and retention, but lack of effective employment protection, lack of aftercare for injured soldiers, no pension, long waits for training, lack of funds for exercises, lack of popular support for deployments etc etc ... do.
Oots this is a sensible and well written summary of the problems facing the individual TA soldier and the TA as a whole. The politicians and the MOD need to understand the points you've made, especially regarding existing career and family responsibilities. The tosh spoken by the "un-named" army source about "Gareth" beggared belief. The current level of committment is unsustainable.
 
#19
As has been said we are still capable of Invading other Choggi infested Nations. We still have the man Power to actually pull it off and we probably have enough kit. But at what cost?

Six Months on Six months off on operational Deployments. Massive increases in Legit Depression and PTSD. Overwhelming casualty rates and a massive halt in recruitment. Not to mention Retention being completley wiped out of the forces dictionary. If we hit another country i'd give it 3 - 5 years before we hit rock bottom when you look at the figures involved with manning and equipment.

Truth is at the moment we couldnt even invade legoland without us starting to slide down the slippery slope to becoming as useful as Wing mirrors on a submarine!

Whos up for puttin their tin foil hats on and jumping on the non stop flight to the Moon!
 
#20
PTP as I drive home along Villiers Road in the royal borough tonight
Drive? You mean move at a snails pace pounding the steering wheel in rage and screaming "Why can't the bloody council widen the road here? :D

As I remember it , it's so named because on or near that site Lord Francis Villiers, Duke of Buckingham (Hence the Pub) was killed in action thereabouts.

I think.

What's this got to do with the thread PTP? Well they were Royalist militia in that fray , so there :D
 

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