Dangerous terrorists were detained in Yorkshire.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article356033.ece

Mrs John and Mrs Boyes, who have 10 grandchildren between them, were held by Ministry of Defence police after walking 15ft across the sentry line at the United States military base at Menwith Hill in North Yorkshire.
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Two grandmothers from Yorkshire face up to a year in prison after becoming the first people to be arrested under the Government's latest anti-terror legislation.
 

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#2
So Sergey what happens to people who deliberatly break into secret and nuclear establishments in Russia? Pat on the back and let off? Cessesion of choclate rations, but basicly let go? Yea right!

The reason this law was introduced was because of morons like these 2 daft cows. They are free to protest as much as they like outside the wire - but as soon as they cross the line they are committing an absolute offence. The alternative would be to wait for them to get close enough to the nukes and then shoot them.
 
#3
Its Menwith Hill ffs!

Its not a part of the UK, it may as well be a little peice of the US. They even drive on the wrong side of the road. Its just the septics being paranoid.
 

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Indepenent said:
Shami Chakrabarti, the director of Liberty, said: "When does a peaceful protester become a trespasser? In a free society, when does he become a criminal?
They become a trespasser when they trespass. They become a criminal when they break the law.

Both these people KNOWINGLY broke the law. Tough. Lock 'em up. The law allows them to protest outside the base, not to break in.

Indepenent said:
The women, who have been arrested more than a dozen times between them, went equipped with a hammer and a small pair of bolt cutters as well as placards declaring their opposition to the new law.
Can they also be charged with going equiped? carrying these items clearly shows intent to break in and/or commit criminal damage.
 
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sknn said:
So Sergey what happens to people who deliberatly break into secret and nuclear establishments in Russia? Pat on the back and let off? Cessesion of choclate rations, but basicly let go? Yea right!

The reason this law was introduced was because of morons like these 2 daft cows. They are free to protest as much as they like outside the wire - but as soon as they cross the line they are committing an absolute offence. The alternative would be to wait for them to get close enough to the nukes and then shoot them.
sknn!

They crossed the line? Maybe they cut a barbed wire or climbed on a wall? Old people could simply be unattentive, not mention signs, not mention even the line itself.

And what would you say about this case?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article356033.ece

John Catt

AGE: 81

CRIME?: Wearing an anti-Blair T-shirt in Brighton during the Labour conference.

WHAT HAPPENED: He was stopped under section 44 of the 2000 Terrorism Act as he walked towards the seafront for an anti-war demonstration outside the conference. His T-shirt accused Mr Blair and George Bush of war crimes. He was released after signing a form confirming he had been questioned. The police record said the purpose of the stop and search was "terrorism" and the official grounds for intervention were "carrying plackard + T-shirt with anti-Blair info"
 
#6
Menwith Hill is part of the US - and not a lot of people know that. Just try getting in armed only with your wit and a Mod 90 - no chance.

There has been a caravan of these crazies parked just up the road from Menwith for years - they deserve everything that comes their way.

Although however killed their horse a few years back was a bit out of order.

Sergey - I knew as soon as I saw your thread header it would be something like this - time to change the record, old chum - it's getting dull. God only knows what would happen if I tried sneaking into Yamantau Mountain, but I bet it would be a greeting of terminal intensity.
 
#10
Mmmm - a little bit of the good ole' US of A - listening to mobile phones, this internet posting (God bless America if you are!), telex in the old days and every type of communication media we have. Nothing like paranoia on a Thursday.

The amateur radio club (ARRL) are a good ole bunch of boys, the PX is superb (proper root beer) and the nuclear and naughtiness potential is unlimited (That's made sure you Mum's on the way BB - you owe me ;-) ).

Seriously - daft people being nicked by the unintelligent - makes for fun reading!!! Should be gassed the lot of them.....

and they should let the wrinklies go as well!

P
 
#11
Darth_Doctrinus said:
Menwith Hill is part of the US - and not a lot of people know that. Just try getting in armed only with your wit and a Mod 90 - no chance.

There has been a caravan of these crazies parked just up the road from Menwith for years - they deserve everything that comes their way.

Although however killed their horse a few years back was a bit out of order.

Sergey - I knew as soon as I saw your thread header it would be something like this - time the change the record, old chum - it's getting dull. God only knows what would happen if I tried sneaking into Yamanatau Mountain, but I bet it would be a greeting of terminal intensity.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/04/04/britishamericanchukotka.shtml

British and American citizens have been detained in the Far Eastern Russian province of Chukotka, governed by Roman Abramovich, for illegally crossing the Russian state border, RIA Novosti reported.

Presumably, the two foreigners are tourists. “The detainees have passports, commercial visas, tents and arctic equipment with them. A .44 Magnum-Colt pistol and cartridges have been also found among their belongings,” a local security services spokesman said.
Look, armed foreigners with navigation equipment have crossed Russian border without notification in region that is very important from military point of view. But they were not sent in the jail. They are free to walk free inside local small town. They were accused only in illegal border crossing (not in terrorism).

But the old ladies were accused in terrorism. Nonsense.
 
#12
Sergey,

That's the end of any decent life for them though!

By now they've been forced to buy Chelsea season tickets if Abramovitch is involved. In retrospect, the way the two of them were tooled up suggests that they already are Chelski supporters.

Poor souls - but at lease they won't have to go to any Champion's league games :)

P
 
#13
Although Sergey frequently talks testicles in this case I think he has a point...

Its ridiculous to using terrorist leglislation to detain these women or old men heckling at labout party conferences. No wonder the government struggled to get the 90-day rule through if people fear the rules will be abused.

I agree they shouldn't be breaching the base and ought to hold their protest outside. But why can't they simply be charged with something like 'repeated trespassing' or 'wasting police time' etc...

Tricam.
 
#14
Hang on Sergey.

Crossing a border illegally happens every bloody day here. What do we do about it? Sod all. We give 'em a nice cup of tea, a fist full of benefits and promptly lose track of them until they pop up commiting crime somewhere. Yes - I'm being simplistic.

However, the doddering old people broke into a very high security area in the certain knowledge of what they were doing. You can't just 'wander' into Menwith Hill FFS - it's visible for miles.

So back to my original point - what would happen to me if I just fancied a stroll around Yamantau Mountain, eh?
 
#15
I knew it was big Septic area do they actuall own it? And oh yeah love the crazy people there either Greenpeace, CND or the people who belive in aliens.
 

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#16
KGB_resident said:
Look, armed foreigners with navigation equipment have crossed Russian border without notification in region that is very important from military point of view. But they were not sent in the jail. They are free to walk free inside local small town. They were accused only in illegal border crossing (not in terrorism).

But the old ladies were accused in terrorism. Nonsense.

Ah, you're being very disingenuous here aren't you? A British explorer and a US endurance racer who have just walked across the Bering Strait in an attempt to walk around the world would presumably be expected to have nav equipment and a gun? Or are polar bears not dangerous anymore?

Story

Very different to venturing on to a military base deliberately, presumably to cause a confrontation. Try comparing like with like, there's a good chap.
 
#17
60FD,

Thanks for filling in the gaps with Sergey's story and let's hope that the authorities see sense and let Karl Bushby and his mate Dmitri continue.

Not really the same as Helen Johns and Sylvia Boyes (both in their sixties) being a royal PITA and upsetting people by bringing their scary presence into Menwith. The fact is the silly old dears have got the publicity they want and CND can bleat on about the infringement of their civil liberties so everyone can be happy. They've made they world a little safer tonight !
 
#18
Didn't they have ASBOs slapped on them?

There are arguments for and against how their protest should be dealt with, but it is clear that this nation is becoming increasingly authoritarian and is cracking down on dissent under the guise of "anti-terrorism".
 
#19
As a small 'c' conservative and the sort who honestly thinks that there's nowt wrong with being born English, I must say that old Sergei has a point. This sad excuse for a government has introduced all sorts of laws that quite frankly don't cut the mustard. Don't have any problem with the Menwith loonies being charged with trespass, but I do have a serious problem with the scuffers using Anti Terrorism law any time it suits them. Perhaps having a degree in British History and specialising in the period 1688 to 1815 gives me a better insight into the way we as a nation tackled despotism (both that of the Stuarts and Cromwell) but the current lot of poor excuses for politicians have no regard for our basic liberties. Liberties, mark you, not rights given us by some court but the basic liberties of free born Britons.

KGB chappie knows all about living in a Police state, I would rather find out the details at a distance, and our current lot are shortening that distance ar a quite alarming rate. George Orwell had something to say about it, I must look it up.
 
#20
nick them for breech of the peace of being hippy scum not terrorism. they deserve to get off as the laws being used for the wrong idea :x
used to know and ex peace woman was just there for the booze,drugs and sex :twisted: fortunatly she was a dyke as she was big enough to have anyone she wanted by force :twisted: :lol: