Dangerous Britain

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Just picked this up from a Canadian website:
Living in Britain is now more dangerous than the Balkans

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Living in Britain is now more dangerous than the Balkans, report reveals


By Justin Stares
Last updated at 11:24 PM on 30th May 2008



Britain is now more dangerous than the Balkans, it was revealed yesterday.

You are more likely to be assaulted, robbed and burgled in Britain than in the region of southeast Europe once synonymous with war and gangsters, according to a report by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

Your car is at least ten times more likely to be stolen in Britain than in Albania, Croatia or the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Western Europe suffers from double the amount of burglary, over four times as much assault, and 15 times as much robbery as the Balkans, the report revealed.

Bringing criminals to justice is also more likely over there.


There are more police and more public prosecutors in Albania than there are in England and Wales, per head of population.

Even impoverished Moldova has more judges than we do.

The wide-ranging report, entitled 'Crime and its Impact on the Balkans', showed that while Britain and other western European countries continue to suffer from a crime wave, Balkan countries have shed their badlands image and have many types of crime under control.

'It seems that an era of lawlessness is passing,' the report's authors said.


'South East Europe does not, in fact, suffer from high rates of crime, at least in terms of the range of offences commonly referred to as conventional crime: murder, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, theft and the like.


'In fact, most of the region is safer than Western Europe in this respect.'

The region, shattered little more than a decade ago by bitter ethnic warfare, is now 'one of the safer areas of the world.'

Figures on vehicle theft were particularly telling. In Britain, 1,330 vehicles in every 100,000 are reported stolen annually, compared to 166 in Croatia, 113 in Macedonia and just 90 in Albania.

The figures are considered reliable, the report pointed out, because victims almost always report the crime in the hope that their car, bike or van is recovered.

The report suggested crime might be low in the Balkans because there is not so much of a gap between the rich and the poor.

It said: 'Income inequality is regarded as the most robust quantitative correlate of crime rates.


'Social inequities give rise to a sense of relative deprivation, which can be used to justify both property and violent crime.

'But the long history of socialist regimes in the region flattened income differentials.

'While this is changing in a free market environment, the standard indicators of inequality are not pronounced in this region.'

It also might have something to do with the justice system. In England and Wales there are just five judges per 100,000 citizens, the lowest proportion among the countries examined, the report pointed out.

In Croatia there are 42, while even Albania, one of the most backward countries in the region, has 11. Moldova just beats England and Wales with seven.

England and Wales also have fewer policemen and women. There are just 261 per 100,000 citizens compared to 353 in Albania and 427 in Croatia.

There are also fewer prosecutors (5.2 per 100,000 citizens) than in Croatia (12.3) , Albania (12.7), Macedonia (8.6) and Moldova (16.6).

The study looked at nine Balkan countries: Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Romania and Serbia and compared the statistics it found with samples from Western Europe and around the world.
Apparently Daily Hate but who cares, even the Canucks pity us!
 
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Presumably because all the criminals are over here.................
 

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LE
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I said that and the Canucks explained it was in exchange for sending all ours down under!
 
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National service would sort out many scrotes, clamping down on benefit scroungers. Perhaps we have too many kinds of benefits and need to rescind them!
 
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Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
 
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Hardysa said:
Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
Yes, after all we are dealing with statistics here. I would also question how crime statistics are reported in the Countries that are compared to Britain.

In the USA the FBI takes the required crime reports from all levels of LE within the USA and compiles the results. I assume that Scotland yard does it in the UK. In most cases the stats are fairly accurate, at least here in the USA.

The low crime rates in the Countries mentioned could well be because of lack of reporting at the local level. Are there requirements for reporting crime stats to anybody? Who compiles these stats? :wink:
 
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Hardysa said:
Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
A quick Goggling finds the report:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Balkan_study.pdf

I would suggest reading the report. The only stat where the UK comes out worst is car crime, and I would suggest that is because we have far more cars per capita than in the Balkans. I'm not denying that Car Crime is a problem, its just things are seldom as they seem - especially in Daily Mail land.
 

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It was on a forum I frequent and last night they proved it was western Europe in general rather than Blighty in particular. The reason I didnt find it in a UK paper is because I dont take any, If i have to commute I will read the Times or Telegraph if available but I'd rather not sponsor the street of shame if I can help it!
 
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Trip_Wire said:
Hardysa said:
Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
Yes, after all we are dealing with statistics here. I would also question how crime statistics are reported in the Countries that are compared to Britain.

In the USA the FBI takes the required crime reports from all levels of LE within the USA and compiles the results. I assume that Scotland yard does it in the UK. In most cases the stats are fairly accurate, at least here in the USA.

The low crime rates in the Countries mentioned could well be because of lack of reporting at the local level. Are there requirements for reporting crime stats to anybody? Who compiles these stats? :wink:
The Conservative Party.
 

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I suspect there is an EU office for statistics that requires figures to be submitted. Ones they dont like will possibly be suppressed.
 
#13
Noticed the link to 'Crime 'costs Britain £60billion a year', say business leaders'. If we're so pi$$ed off with crime over here, why don't we just stop paying? £60bn sounds a bit extortionate after all.
 
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fozzy said:
Hardysa said:
Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
A quick Goggling finds the report:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Balkan_study.pdf

I would suggest reading the report. The only stat where the UK comes out worst is car crime, and I would suggest that is because we have far more cars per capita than in the Balkans. I'm not denying that Car Crime is a problem, its just things are seldom as they seem - especially in Daily Mail land.
Having travelled extensively as a civvy in the Balkans, IMHO we have far more cars worthy of stealing than the Balkans. Also Joyriding isnt a problem over there like it has been in our inner cities.
 
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Like many of us I have travelled extensively and, while there are places I would hesitate to go after dark, or even in broad daylight, there are not many "civilised" countries that I know of that are even close to the UK for its general feeling of general thugishness, lack of respect for personal property, antisocial behaviour and so on. I really do not like the atmosphere in the UK and it is generally down to lack of police presence and kids who, as a result of that and liberal sentencing if they do get caught, feel themselves to be above the law.
 
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Dog-faced-soldier said:
Like many of us I have travelled extensively and, while there are places I would hesitate to go after dark, or even in broad daylight, there are not many "civilised" countries that I know of that are even close to the UK for its general feeling of general thugishness, lack of respect for personal property, antisocial behaviour and so on. I really do not like the atmosphere in the UK and it is generally down to lack of police presence and kids who, as a result of that and liberal sentencing if they do get caught, feel themselves to be above the law.
Agree with all that DFS, Mrs JD and myself were in Noo Yoik a couple of years ago and she said she felt more secure wandering round at night time than walking home from the pub in Aldershot, on many an occasion she's been accosted by scum bags asking her to get them ale from the offy or money for fags and when she's refused they give her all sorts of grief. She gave up phoning the law as they weren't interested. Typical.
 
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A few years ago on holiday in the south of France, Grau-du Roi, as we watched the seafront from the balcony my friend pointed out that while the kids were doing all the usual teenage stuff there was no alcohol to be seen and no feeling of threat.

Comare that with Canterbury, where a p'ssed up squaddie turned back to have a go at me(I was out with his CSM he he) or Brighton where again there is a latent feeling of violence, say what you will about stats, if it feels bad, it is.
 
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ugly said:
The report suggested crime might be low in the Balkans because there is not so much of a gap between the rich and the poor.
Hmmm...
Seem to remember that it was common to see the latest and biggest Merc cruising about and an old toothless woman in rags with a goat on the end of a bit of string at the same time

The biggest criminals were the 'police'

Hope it has changed now though
 
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Some Americans were talking about the news on BFBS as they are based on the COB. One bloke told me that his wife works in A+E in Detroit and on normal night she deals with 9 bullet wounds a night. He couldn't belive that some kid being killed in London is National headline news. To be honest Britain isn't as safe as it used to be but it is a long way from the States
 
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fozzy said:
Hardysa said:
Has this analysis been corroborated through any other source or it is just this chap from the Daily Mail making his own comparison stats up?
A quick Goggling finds the report:

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/Balkan_study.pdf

I would suggest reading the report. The only stat where the UK comes out worst is car crime, and I would suggest that is because we have far more cars per capita than in the Balkans. I'm not denying that Car Crime is a problem, its just things are seldom as they seem - especially in Daily Mail land.
If you look on the Home Office web site, the number of arrests for violent offences more than doubled in the 8 years to 2007. From 600,000 in 1999 to 1.2 million in 2007. That's the government's own statistics. There was no change in the definition of what constitutes a violent crime during this period.

Some other uncomfortable stats. were uncovered in Ronnie Flanagan's report (he's HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary - Britain's top cop). There has been a horrific increase in police bureaucracy since Labour came to power. It can now take 7 hours to arrest and charge somebody. As a result, at any given time, only 1 in 58 'on duty' police officers is actually outside the police station.

This is coupled with inadequate funding for the police. On some weekends there are more police on duty in New York than there are in the whole of England. Prisons are now full to capacity so, unless your violent crime involves a machine gun, or is racially aggravated, you'll get off with a fine or community service. Of course, if you're one of the 50% that don't bother to pay fines, you'll just get another fine that you can ignore. No room in the jails for fine dodgers you see.

It all reminds me of a chat I had with a lawyer mate several years ago. He was of the opinion that Labour was retrying the same criminal justice policies that had failed in America in the 1970s. His exact words were 'We're heading for a general breakdown in law and order'.

Finally, talking of massaging statistics, I was reading the Inspector Gadget blog this morning. Gadget and his colleagues have been told to stop arresting people for violent crimes and arrest them for 'non violent' alternatives instead. Get drunk and stick a broken glass in somebody's face and Gadget will arrest you for drunk and disorderly rather than GBH. This instruction has come from the Home Office so stand by for a big drop in violent crime in next year's crime stats.
 
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