Cyprus Memorial- Locals not happy

#3
The memorial is a very fitting tribute, but I do think it was clumsy not to consult the Republic of Cyprus Government on this. After all, the UK does recognise the Republic as having de jure sovereignty for the whole island (less the SBAs, of course). In any case, it would have been more appropriate to erect the memorial within one of the SBAs. It would surely still have fallen within the Treaty of Establishment definition of 'military purpose' development.
 

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#5
According to Andrew Dismal, a Labour MP, honouring the British dead is not a good idea, despite them being murdered by Greek Cypriots.

What a surprise; he's a Labour MP who feels it's more important to represent the wishes of a Greek diaspora in London who are sympathetic to the cause of Greek terrorism than to people of his own country.

Oh, I forgot - this is the very same MP who's currently in the press trying to defend his own home flipping, and who currently sits on the parliamentary standards and privelages committee.

He's one of the fat-cats that oversaw the corruption in parliament and is trying to water down Kelly's changes.
 

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#6
If the Greeks had not wimped out in 1974 then they would have been asked. As it is, the memorial was raised in the Turkish part of the Island and the Greeks have Feck All say in what goes on there.

They should just get back in their box and STFU.
 
#7
Having served in Cyprus for 2 years and currently living with a Cypriot I can quite honestly say that despite the false smiles of the Greek Cypriots when we are handing them money, they detest the British.

The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand bare us no malice whatsoever, they are all round much nicer people.

I am glad the memorial was erected in the North.
 
#8
Mr_Deputy said:
If the Cypriots had made one themselves there would be no problem. Much as I love them - they should have stumped up for one many moons ago. I know many would rather have us back than what followed if they could for one thing and also - these were all some mother's sons. Most plcaes get a plaque at least.
Maybe one on wheels in case the Turks come for the bit of land its on.
Good point. Presumably someone donated/sold the land privately. The Memorial seems to be run by the British Cyprus Memorial Trust, so its not a Commonwealth War Graves site, but a private venture. As a private venture, it's really nothing to do with the Government, therefore the Hon MP should go stick his head in a pig.

Edit- I was incorrect. The Memorial is located in the old British Cemetery, so the land presumably belongs to the Church. The Trust website is at
http://www.britishcyprusmemorial.org/about/default
 
#11
HectortheInspector said:
Apparently the Cypriots are unhappy with the location of the new memorial.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8321765.stm
The problem is they are disappointed that their noses were knocked out of joint and the memorial as been erected on the northern side of Cyprus and not the been erected in the British sovereign base area.
I personally think no matter where the memorial is erected no one would have been happy in Cyprus , They are very hard people to please no matter how hard you try .
 
#12
Regardless of who owns the land on which the memorial is sited, the erection of a memorial would still require planning permission, would it not? If, under international law, the Republic of Cyprus Government is the ultimate planning authority, then why didn't the Cyprus Memorial Trust consult the Republic? In the circs, the Trusts actions might be interpreted as, at best, undiplomatic and, at worst, deliberately provocative.
 

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#13
Bollock-chops said:
Was it a school bus he bravely attacked or was that just a squaddie rumour? I was looking at that site reading about EOKA http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/Most wanted/most wanted files/EOKA_Members_List_m.html

I like the bit about Kyriakos Matsis, eventually found by 1 Wilts, he refuses to surrender, saying, "I will come out firing"

The patrol threw three grenades into the hide. Boom Boom



Boom ;)
It carries on to say an inquest found that he had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head!!! :D
 
#14
Booty said:
Regardless of who owns the land on which the memorial is sited, the erection of a memorial would still require planning permission, would it not? If, under international law, the Republic of Cyprus Government is the ultimate planning authority, then why didn't the Cyprus Memorial Trust consult the Republic? In the circs, the Trusts actions might be interpreted as, at best, undiplomatic and, at worst, deliberately provocative.
Why on earth would the UK Government and the TRNC need to be diplomatic with the goat herders in the South?
 
#15
AFA06 said:
Having served in Cyprus for 2 years and currently living with a Cypriot I can quite honestly say that despite the false smiles of the Greek Cypriots when we are handing them money, they detest the British.

The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand bare us no malice whatsoever, they are all round much nicer people.

I am glad the memorial was erected in the North.
To be honest. F**k them. The whole sorry saga is their own bone headed dumb fault. Last time I visted the place was swarming with Russian tarts and gangsters.
 
#16
AFA06 said:
Having served in Cyprus for 2 years and currently living with a Cypriot I can quite honestly say that despite the false smiles of the Greek Cypriots when we are handing them money, they detest the British.

The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand bare us no malice whatsoever, they are all round much nicer people.

I am glad the memorial was erected in the North.
if they detest us so much, why the f uck do so many of then want to live in north london ? f ucking hypocrites.
 
#17
brokerboy said:
AFA06 said:
Having served in Cyprus for 2 years and currently living with a Cypriot I can quite honestly say that despite the false smiles of the Greek Cypriots when we are handing them money, they detest the British.

The Turkish Cypriots on the other hand bare us no malice whatsoever, they are all round much nicer people.

I am glad the memorial was erected in the North.
if they detest us so much, why the f uck do so many of then want to live in north london ? f ucking hypocrites.
An excellent point and one which the relevant MP, craven, vote-grubbing weasel that he is, should address instead of pandering to their disloyal, treasonous whining! :x :x
(Please stop the Outrage-Bus Mr.Conductor, I want to get off now)
 
#18
I have interests in Cyprus and to be honest the place is in a right mess. Governmental corruption is rife, the swollen public sector workforce is next to useless, the tourism business has been on a rapid decline for over ten years and the entire Island's economy is ruled by the over-powerful Union's.

As far as the Cypriots are concerned, it's that typical Med Nation Socialist view that it's always everybody else's fault and never their own. To make matters worse, the recently elected Communist President Demetris Christofias is no more a president than a local council leader is a Roman god. His self proclaimed ambition was to be the communist president of a socialist country, and that he is. All Cypriot politicians build their career on solving the 'problem'. However, once elected into the corridors of power they then have no feasible plans on what to do. Chritofias was elected in Feb 08 and said that the problem would be solved by Christmas. Which is a bit like the 1991 plans to build new 4 Marina's and 14 Golf Courses across the Island. 3 of the courses were built but as for the other11, well it's now 2009 and they're still talking about it.

Cyprus wanted their independence so in 1960 they got it. Things then turned sour and they wanted the British back. Simple case of “Cake and Eat it”. But hey, it's our fault and not theirs, they all wave Greek flags but back in 1974 their Greek friends weren't to keen to intervene either.

As for the north south divide, well without outside intervention and if required force, that issue will never be settled as both side are at constant stale mate as no one wants to be seen to be giving in to the other. Then there is the fact that the reality is, is that many areas of commerce just don't want reunification. Take the instance of Famagusta, during it's 1960's hey-day it was on-par with St Tropez and was the place for the famous faces to be seen. Obviously since 1974 it has sat largely untouched so any regeneration would require demolition and then a complete rebuild. And that is where the problem lays. The Tourism areas of Protaras and Agia Napa and to a certain extent Larnaca, have grown up massively, and although the facilities in those resorts are aged and in need of serious investment, a rebuild of Famagusta would just destroy them and also the money that people have tied up within them.

The only other way is money. Cypriots love money and even though the national average wage is very low, €1500 per month is seen as a very good income, they all build massive houses and within each family they will have at least one Mercedes Benz and one Mitsubishi twin cab, it's kind of like a birth-rite....! They love money and the less that they have to do in order to get it, the better it is all round. They will credit themselves up to the eyeballs in order to keep up with the Stavros's next door.

Money is the key to the problem. So until the EU, USA, Russia or Turkey agree to stump up enough reddies to buy a resolution, nothing in Cyprus or the TRNC will ever change.
 
#19
Mr_Deputy said:
heard it - you certainly know them well! i do as well and you hit the nail on the head there.
Please don't get me wrong as I love Cyprus and have some very good Cypriot friends. I just wish that they (the Government) would stop playing at tin-pot politics and get on with resurrecting their country.

What happened in 1974 was terrible, but the finger of blame cannot all lay with the T-C's, the G-C's have to acknowledge that they were as much a cause as Turkey was and that Britain, Greece and The USA done what they thought was right at the time. They really have to move on as many of the worlds leading nations are really get fed up with the lack of any resolve to the situation. It won't be easy, but then nothing that's truly worth attaining ever is.

There are many good and honest business people in Cyprus that invest heavily in their own businesses but they are constantly let down by the Governments and the Public Sectors inability to be able to do anything useful.

The Country is stuck in 1974 and until people learn to forgive and even possibly to forget, then it always will be.
 
#20
British colonial policies also promoted ethnic polarization. The British applied the principle of "divide and rule," setting the two groups against each other to prevent combined action against colonial rule. For example, when Greek Cypriots rebelled in the 1950s, the colonial administration established an all-Turkish police force, known as the Auxiliary Police, to combat Greek Cypriots. This and similar practices contributed to intercommunal animosity.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
 

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