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Cyber attack 'collateral damage'

While there have obviously been people killed previously as a result of cyber attacks, whether because individuals were directly targeted, moved to areas where they became vulnerable to other forms of attack or were involved with things like Stuxnet in Iran, this seems to be breaking new legal ground.

'The prosecution in the German city of Düsseldorf has opened a murder investigation after unknown assailants carried out a cyber attack on the university hospital, resulting in the death of a patient who was in critical condition but could not receive emergency care due to system shutdowns.

'The cyber attack took place on September 9, while, according to police, the main target of the attack was not the university hospital, but the nearby university.

'The online attack also shut down hospital systems and computers, which could not accept new patients some of whom were in critical condition. One of them was a woman who was rushed to the hospital in life-threatening condition, but following the system shutdown, doctors were forced to evacuate her to the city of Wuppertal 30 kilometers from Düsseldorf. The woman died on her way to hospital.

'Cologne Cybercrime Unit head Prosecutor Christoph Becker said he opened a murder investigation against the unknown individuals. If the investigation leads to a murder prosecution, it will be the first known case in the world where a person dies as a direct result of a cyber attack.'


 
Welcome to the future, this shit is going to get worse from here on in. Automated drive by ransomware tied to bitcoin payments to places like Outer Elbonia that have no extradition treaties with the Western world. Or even worse, State Sponsored Sabotage.

I'm seriously thinking about ditching IT now. Between crap like this to worry about and every single player in the industry going to the "**** you, pay me in perpetuity" model of paying to access to your own data until the end of time or until they suffer a data breach and leak all your data and complete details to the world when they give you one month free access as one way of compensation, I'm packing it in.
 
unknown assailants carried out a cyber attack on the university hospital,

OMG teh cyberz.

(Insert dramatic, but hackneyed, image of hacker)



IOW, some moron opened a ransomware email.
 
An old telly show last night, hackers accessed printers in people's homes. They then caused the printers to catch fire. Online arsonists. Maybe not fiction anymore?
 

Yokel

LE
Some of us have proposed a Cyber Security forum on ARRSE for some time? @Good CO? @Bad CO?

Was it really caused by someone opening a dodgy e-mail or a suspicious attachment? Should safety critical systems really be connected to the same network as an e-mail server?

Can an incoming e-mail be sheep dipped? Can individual devices on a network have additional layers of defence?
 
Some of us have proposed a Cyber Security forum on ARRSE for some time? @Good CO? @Bad CO?

Was it really caused by someone opening a dodgy e-mail or a suspicious attachment? Should safety critical systems really be connected to the same network as an e-mail server?

Can an incoming e-mail be sheep dipped? Can individual devices on a network have additional layers of defence?
As far as the German media reports it was a vulnerability in a Citrix-VPN-Gateway the good old #Shitrix thingy.
 
Some of us have proposed a Cyber Security forum on ARRSE for some time? @Good CO? @Bad CO?

Was it really caused by someone opening a dodgy e-mail or a suspicious attachment? Should safety critical systems really be connected to the same network as an e-mail server?

Can an incoming e-mail be sheep dipped? Can individual devices on a network have additional layers of defence?

Any forum with "Cyber" in its official title will be filled with the equivalent of journalists discussing tanks.
 

Bob65

War Hero
An old telly show last night, hackers accessed printers in people's homes. They then caused the printers to catch fire. Online arsonists. Maybe not fiction anymore?

It used to be that you could cause fax machines to overheat by sending all-black pages to them. What's old is new again!
 
OMG teh cyberz.

(Insert dramatic, but hackneyed, image of hacker)



IOW, some moron opened a ransomware email.

That reminds me of when the matrix was in cinemas, and I put a screen saver on someone's computer with the classic Matrix falling green numbers, interspersed with whatever was opening such as a word document falling apart as well

They saw and were convinced they had a virus, except they only had to press a key and everything would go back to normal

Morons are everywhere
 
Any forum with "Cyber" in its official title will be filled with the equivalent of journalists discussing tanks.

This is what journalists think Cyber is

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It used to be that you could cause fax machines to overheat by sending all-black pages to them. What's old is new again!

Early Commodore Pet's, you could fry the motherboard but getting a maths operation into an endless loop
 
An old telly show last night, hackers accessed printers in people's homes. They then caused the printers to catch fire. Online arsonists. Maybe not fiction anymore?

They could just get an old TV, one knocked the out the broadband for a whole Welsh village recently, but that was accidental

Couldn't be that hard to do it deliberately
 

Yokel

LE
Any forum with "Cyber" in its official title will be filled with the equivalent of journalists discussing tanks.

In other words, those of us that need educating!

Cyber security will be an important thing for all of us. Accidentally opening a dodgy file, keeping personal snaps safe, not being overwhelmed by a denial of service attack, to keeping sensitive things from the Russians/Chinese/Iranians.

I got taught information systems security as part of my degree, but that was before the internet of things or the state sponsored hacking on behalf of Moscow or Beijing.
 
It used to be that you could cause fax machines to overheat by sending all-black pages to them. What's old is new again!

An irritating tactic used by Animal Rights Activists in the 00s.

With regard to the wider theme of the thread: what do you expect when smaller (and, in some cases, not so small) companies still have Win 98 as an operating platform?
 
In other words, those of us that need educating!

Cyber security will be an important thing for all of us. Accidentally opening a dodgy file, keeping personal snaps safe, not being overwhelmed by a denial of service attack, to keeping sensitive things from the Russians/Chinese/Iranians.

I got taught information systems security as part of my degree, but that was before the internet of things or the state sponsored hacking on behalf of Moscow or Beijing.

There's never been a time when online systems weren't under attack.
 
While there have obviously been people killed previously as a result of cyber attacks, whether because individuals were directly targeted, moved to areas where they became vulnerable to other forms of attack or were involved with things like Stuxnet in Iran, this seems to be breaking new legal ground.

'The prosecution in the German city of Düsseldorf has opened a murder investigation after unknown assailants carried out a cyber attack on the university hospital, resulting in the death of a patient who was in critical condition but could not receive emergency care due to system shutdowns.

'The cyber attack took place on September 9, while, according to police, the main target of the attack was not the university hospital, but the nearby university.

'The online attack also shut down hospital systems and computers, which could not accept new patients some of whom were in critical condition. One of them was a woman who was rushed to the hospital in life-threatening condition, but following the system shutdown, doctors were forced to evacuate her to the city of Wuppertal 30 kilometers from Düsseldorf. The woman died on her way to hospital.

'Cologne Cybercrime Unit head Prosecutor Christoph Becker said he opened a murder investigation against the unknown individuals. If the investigation leads to a murder prosecution, it will be the first known case in the world where a person dies as a direct result of a cyber attack.'




All of which begs the question:- What did hospitals do before computers were ever invented?.. It beggars belief that a hospital cannot save a life without electronics.
 
All of which begs the question:- What did hospitals do before computers were ever invented?.. It beggars belief that a hospital cannot save a life without electronics.

They occasionally let people die of conditions which are now treatable.

Tell me, are you on a quest to make yourself look stupid in every forum on Arrse?
 
All of which begs the question:- What did hospitals do before computers were ever invented?.. It beggars belief that a hospital cannot save a life without electronics.

A bit like, 'what did military pers/admin offices do before computers'; they had sufficient staff to do the reception, work, file, schedule, retrieve data, etc, etc, but then took the monetary saving by changing pink bodies for CPUs and expecting the individual to do things for themselves.
 

Yokel

LE
Yes but the question seems to ignore the amount of medical equipment that saves lives every day - X ray machines, CT scanners, ultrasound scanners, anesthesia delivery equipment, ventilators, incubators, ECG, laboratory equipment...

It is an ignorant and foolish comment.
 
There's never been a time when online systems weren't under attack.

Some security conscious organisation have systems that are never online and it rather limits that risk
 

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