CVs

#1
Hello,

I am having serious probs with my CV, is there there anyone out there who can give advice or point me in the right direction to producing a good quality CV. I am due to leave after 22 yrs service and ain't getting a great deal of help from the resettlement side. I am an IS Engineer and will be attempting to get civilian Quals from my resettlement. My biggest problem with the CV is putting 22 years of Army/Sigs experience into civi lingo.

Regards

Airborne_Foggy
 
#2
There are couple of ways to do it. Contact a couple of agencies who know how to deal with departing squaddies (resettlement office should be able to point in the direction of the right agencies , aerotek are well used to ex sigs) and ask them for advice, they are more than willing to help especially if it means they can get you on the books and get commission from finding you a job.

The other way is to get in touch with mates who have already left and get theirs so you can compare. Im not sure what IS ops do as I left just as they were starting to introduced.
 

CGS

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#3
Perhaps calling this thread CV's is an example of an area you may wish to brush up on when writing your CV?
 
#4
Airborne siggy - pm me we have a couple of jobs going at our place that you might be interested in
 
#5
The CV should be designed to get you the interview and the interview is what gets you the job. Look at what systems we are using and compare to what you are using and put the common bits in. The rest probably isn't relevant. Tailor the CV to each application, don't just send the same one to each (this is one of the downsides of using agencies).

Personally, I ignore qualifications when looking at CVs - It's too easy to get MSXX or Cisco whatever and still be a muppet. I'm looking for evidence that they can do the job. The applicant won't know why our systems are designed how they are but that's OK. Might be a good idea to povide evidence that you could work it out.

You have an advantage over us civs because I look for non techie stuff; reliability, puctuality, going the extra mile, do the job without me having to watch all the time. And be nice to our customers. Generally, ex forces are good at this and you will often get an interview because of it.

Oh, and take note of CGS's comment too ;)

Good luck,

C
 
#6
CGS said:
Perhaps calling this thread CV's is an example of an area you may wish to brush up on when writing your CV?
Gents,

This is the type of "Help" i have been up against, but thank you for all your comments and i have taken on board what has been said.

Airborne_Foggy
 
#7
civvy said:
The CV should be designed to get you the interview and the interview is what gets you the job. Look at what systems we are using and compare to what you are using and put the common bits in. The rest probably isn't relevant. Tailor the CV to each application, don't just send the same one to each (this is one of the downsides of using agencies).

Personally, I ignore qualifications when looking at CVs - It's too easy to get MSXX or Cisco whatever and still be a muppet. I'm looking for evidence that they can do the job. The applicant won't know why our systems are designed how they are but that's OK. Might be a good idea to povide evidence that you could work it out.

You have an advantage over us civs because I look for non techie stuff; reliability, puctuality, going the extra mile, do the job without me having to watch all the time. And be nice to our customers. Generally, ex forces are good at this and you will often get an interview because of it.

Oh, and take note of CGS's comment too ;)

Good luck,

C
Definately agree with this. Every one ive spoken to since getting out has loved ex forces for these reasons. And the quals bit is especially true, CCNA etc are great courses but everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and employers know this. However it does prove your willingness and ability to learn.
 
#8
Airborne_Foggy said:
This is the type of "Help" i have been up against, but thank you for all your comments and i have taken on board what has been said.
Sorry if I'm misinterpreting your comment, but it seems to me like you're saying that you do not welcome constructive criticism regarding basic grammar and punctuation? I'm probably way off the mark, but if that is the case then I'd be very surprised. I've always been a bit anally-retentive when it comes to spelling etc, but I reckon if I was an employer and I had two candidates who were very similar but one's CV showed a lack of attention to detail (including full stops, commas and apostrophes in the wrong place) then I'd have to assume that he or she wasn't putting in enough effort. Prior planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance and all that!

CS
 
#9
There have been some excellent work books published by the army for the sgts exams. These work books cover punctuation, letter writing, english useage and one other that I can't remember. Your education office should have access to them and they are an invaluable tool to anybody who wishes to refresh or improve their literacy skills.

There is also a superb book called "Eats, Shoots And Leaves" which cover correct punctuation.

If anybody feels they would really benefit from some further teaching there is a local Learn Direct Centre in everytown in the country nearly, they will help you pass the equivalent to your GCSE - now called your Literacy Level 2 (same can be done for Numeracy). These are the people who advertise as the Gremlin busters on national TV etc. It's all confidential and free, you would be amazed at the people you meet, so please don't think it's full of "mongs" "retards" etc. Most of the learners are adults who need to improve a skill in order to improve at work or older people who went to work at 12 and now want to learn how to read a book to the grandkids.

But can it please be noted that when people are already feeling a sensitive and they are coming from the same service as yourself that maybe they should be helped and supported rather than criticised in an unhelpful manner?

Hope this is of some help :wink:
 
#10
By the way I am aware of my errors with capitilization etc in the post as I typed it quickly.

I would be interested to see what ******** feels the need to comment on it now...............................
 
#11
There have been some excellent work books published by the army for the sgts exams. These work books cover punctuation, letter writing, english useage and one other that I can't remember. Your education office should have access to them and they are an invaluable tool to anybody who wishes to refresh or improve their literacy skills.

There is also a superb book called "Eats, Shoots And Leaves" which cover correct punctuation.

If anybody feels they would really benefit from some further teaching there is a local Learn Direct Centre in everytown in the country nearly, they will help you pass the equivalent to your GCSE - now called your Literacy Level 2 (same can be done for Numeracy). These are the people who advertise as the Gremlin busters on national TV etc. It's all confidential and free, you would be amazed at the people you meet, so please don't think it's full of "mongs" "retards" etc. Most of the learners are adults who need to improve a skill in order to improve at work or older people who went to work at 12 and now want to learn how to read a book to the grandkids.

But can it please be noted that when people are already feeling a sensitive and they are coming from the same service as yourself that maybe they should be helped and supported rather than criticised in an unhelpful manner?

Hope this is of some help :wink:
 
#12
petite_butsweet said:
By the way I am aware of my errors with capitilization etc in the post as I typed it quickly.

I would be interested to see what * feels the need to comment on it now...............................
Maybe the grammar error could also be put down to rushing and I think we should leave the apostrophe error alone and concentrate our efforts on helping the lad?
 
#13
I could be totally wrong (I may have had a few) but isn't IS Eng an new trade therefore making 22yrs of service as one impossible. Please correct if I am wrong.

Also, something I do know for definate, you get (boring) resettlement training which shows you how to form a C.V. adn how to translate anything you did in the army into civvy terms. I got out through it after under 3 years so you will definately have to do it after 22.
 
#14
jest265 said:
I could be totally wrong (I may have had a few) but isn't IS Eng an new trade therefore making 22yrs of service as one impossible. Please correct if I am wrong.

Also, something I do know for definate, you get (boring) resettlement training which shows you how to form a C.V. adn how to translate anything you did in the army into civvy terms. I got out through it after under 3 years so you will definately have to do it after 22.
So the lad is a liar and is not very good with the pesky apostrophe!!! Where is the direction and help with your criticism? FGS men at least have the courtesy to address the question and not have the 'I could be wrong BUT' approach!

Remember there has never been a monument or statue erected for a critic!
 
#15
Hello jest,

Yes i am leaving the Army after 22 yrs service and i have been an IS Engineer since late 2000, it is a new trade within the Signals but previous to that i was an Systems Operator and Radio Telegraphist however my current trade is IS Engineer and this is the most current trade i have and wish to pursue in my civilian career.

In case you are wondering the resettlement 3 day course did not tell me how to interpret my military background on my CV to civilian terminology but they did suggest that my military background must be put into civilian terminology.......great so how do I do that then? Luckily i have a good network of friends that have left the corps and a wonderful wife who has always worked in the civil sector.

I did come here for further advice and assistance in the matter of CV writing yet get critised about "CV's" sheeeesh wish i was good at "england". All i can say is i was wrong for coming here for advice and disappointed with fellow Sigs who felt it was more important to make open ended criticism rather than helping constructively.

By the way thank you to all those that provided intelligent and sensible answers to my question and putting punctuation aside, i thank you all.

Airborne_Foggy

'Airborne all the way, Maroon Machine'
 
#16
have to say tho foggy that now is not necessarily the best time to be getting out. There are lot of cisco type roles about so far as i can tell so if this is the forte of the IS OP then you should be ok.
Seeing your previous post your best bet would be to speak to recently demobbed mates and utilise a combination of their CV's, so long as they werent drivers or clerks....

Good luck as a civvy, its great being paid more than a YofS/FofS for doing a hell of a lot less!! and the shift work is great for time off
 
#18
Lady_Pegasus said:
petite_butsweet said:
By the way I am aware of my errors with capitilization etc in the post as I typed it quickly.

I would be interested to see what * feels the need to comment on it now...............................
Maybe the grammar error could also be put down to rushing and I think we should leave the apostrophe error alone and concentrate our efforts on helping the lad?
Hi all,

I am trying to help by giving constructive criticism. A forum isn't a CV and I accept that effort and standards are different. However, correct grammar, spelling and punctuation make the CV easier to follow. If I have a couple of dozen CVs to shortlist to three or four and some of them are hard to read guess what? You get the 'thank you, we'll keep you on file' letter and the CV gets binned. It won't even get to the which candidate is better stage.

It isn't only apostrophies that matter. Keep quasi legal garbage and irrelevant stuff out as well. Also, if there are things you have done that you cannot discuss, leave them out. They probably won't be relevant, you will be asked questions on it, you will fluff and look a pillock. Make the CV easy to read and relevant to the role.

To clarify the qualifications bit. They definitely show a willingness to make something of your career but... My best network designer failed his CCNA (when you get to a certain level sometimes more than one answer looks plausibe). One CCNA qualified candidate failed on the first question. "Give me an IP address, any one will do". Your service training and experience will be fine. Don't try to put in into civ speak. If you look like you have relevant experience the interview will check it out.

Edited, 'cos I press wrong buttons as well.

C
 
#19
Why should you try and translate all your military achievements into civvi-speak? I never have, and in the five years since leaving the Army I have sent my CV to 5 employers - all responded by calling me to interview, and all bar one offered me a job (I became an insurance broker, a UN diplomat and am now a director of a global accountancy company).

If required add one page of explanatory notes to your CV and application letter. Bearing in mind that you have 22 years of service to inform a prospective employer about, I would leave most of your junior ranks experience out - it should be listed, along with all operational tours completed - but concentrate on the years of your service which are relevant to the employer and the job. This will require you tailoring your CV for every job (as well as the covering letter).

FFS please do not write out a CV and a covering letter and send it out to 200+ companies: almost without exception your efforts will end up in the round filing cabinet under their desks. Go and speak to a headhunter (one that specialises in your chosen field). A quick search of the internet will yield results, as will talking to people/companies that have run courses that you have attended to get civvi qualifications. Meet with the headhunter and discuss your aspirations. An employer who wants a valuable resource (like an ex-Army SNCO or orificer) will employ either the 'old boy' network or use a headhunter. If they want a shelf stacker, then they put the advert in the press directly. A headhunter will want to place you into a job that generates maximum revenue for their office, but be aware that some may have a gap to fill and may try and fob you off with an unsuitable job - just keep your wits about you.

If you pm me an email address I will email a cv format to you that has worked a treat for me. Everyone, including employers, has views about CVs and what should and shouldn't be included, as well as format, etc. It also varies by region and city (Edinburgh tends to prefer more formal CVs, London wants more dynamic documents).

Good luck.
 
#20
civvy said:
I am trying to help by giving constructive criticism. A forum isn't a CV and I accept that effort and standards are different. However, correct grammar, spelling and punctuation make the CV easier to follow. If I have a couple of dozen CVs to shortlist to three or four and some of them are hard to read guess what? You get the 'thank you, we'll keep you on file' letter and the CV gets binned. It won't even get to the which candidate is better stage.

It isn't only apostrophies that matter. Keep quasi legal garbage and irrelevant stuff out as well. Also, if there are things you have done that you cannot discuss, leave them out. They probably won't be relevant, you will be asked questions on it, you will fluff and look a pillock. Make the CV easy to read and relevant to the role.

To clarify the qualifications bit. They definitely show a willingness to make something of your career but... My best network designer failed his CCNA (when you get to a certain level sometimes more than one answer looks plausibe). One CCNA qualified candidate failed on the first question. "Give me an IP address, any one will do". Your service training and experience will be fine. Don't try to put in into civ speak. If you look like you have relevant experience the interview will check it out.

Edited, 'cos I press wrong buttons as well.

C
My apologies. Probably because of my sentence structure it appeared I was having a go at you! This was not what was intended. I was simply making a point that you admitted to a grammatical error i.e. use of capitals and it was an example of people making errors when rushing to do something in an informal setting i.e. this forum.

You indeed offer great constructive criticism, my point was aimed at others who feel it is 'useful' to criticise but offer no advice.

My apologies once again.
 

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