Perhaps its time we started an OP Fortis thread, doubtless there will be much new to chat over in the coming months?
If you did away with the ones on alert on deck, you could maintain two on station with six aircraft. I have to say I wonder why you need ones on alert on deck if you have Merlin equipped frigates - what am I missing?
The Americans and British both developed electrical catapults over the years. Westinghouse developed a version in 1946. October 1946 - Westinghouse unveils the Electropult | The EngineerYou sure?
So the British developed a Electrical one?The Americans and British both developed electrical catapults over the years. Westinghouse developed a version in 1946. October 1946 - Westinghouse unveils the Electropult | The Engineer
Interestingly, the British were developing a version for HMS QE (EMCAT) but eventually signed a contract for EMALS before going with the F35B.
You said invented, which I read as being first. You can develop something while not being the originator.So the British developed a Electrical one?
You may not have Merlin on the frigates; and for a serious submarine threat, you may want aircraft at alert ready to go if, for instance, your airborne aircraft have expended weapons (remembering that you may be classifying by ordnance, engaging POSSUB early, or taking lower-SSPK shots on a fast, alerted target, to keep them defensive and evading so they're much less able to effectively threaten you)
Meh. We also developed stealth ships.You said invented, which I read as being first. You can develop something while not being the originator.
I'm not in anyway disparaging the British contributions to naval aviation since anyone with any knowledge of military history knows that it was their invention of the steam catapult, angled deck and mirror landing system that is the foundation of modern carrier aviation. Certainly the USN acknowledges this.
You're assuming there's such a thing as "carrier designated cabs".I presume that HMS Prince Of Wales will embark some Merlins for her FOST training. If a pair of HM2s appear aboard her flight deck of in the next few weeks then it will prove my theory that 820 could not take all the carrier designated cabs with them. I expect that someone will post any such news...
Obviously more aircraft equals more capability.
Funding - not enough.
Spares - not enough.
Commitments - too many.
Airframes having the Crowsnest modifications.....
I think that the Merlin HM2 squadrons pool their aircraft. But your statement says it all - in a real crisis things can change rapidly. As for POW and her work up, perhaps I was mislead by looking at the Twitter feed from QE and noting that when she was last doing FOST training, ASW exercises were on the agenda. I also wonder about the ones having the mods to take Crowsnest, and wonder if 824 NAS will be taking some for Joint Warrior.
Meanwhile, there is some debate as to were to put the various helicopters:
The last hurrah of the CVS was to put nine Marlin HM2 aboard Illustrious for Exercise Deep Blue in mid 2014 - with another Merlin aboard a frigate. Personally I half expected to see that, with the emphasis on ASW and NATO. I guess things will be easier in the NATO theatre with regards ASW assets - given Atlantic and Arctic commitments. Prince Of Wales has a major NATO flagship role next year.
Also, why are we putting the Junglies aboard an RFA?
The junglies probably didn't want the bullshit that goes with being on a capital pussers grey!Heaven forbid, on the CSG Battle Staff there might be an extremely swept up team of aircrew, groundcrew & logs specialists who might, just might, have put a metric f**tonne of effort into thinking through the force disposition of air assets across the Task Gp.
Heaven forbid, on the CSG Battle Staff there might be an extremely swept up team of aircrew, groundcrew & logs specialists who might, just might, have put a metric f**tonne of effort into thinking through the force disposition of air assets across the Task Gp.
The junglies probably didn't want the bullshit that goes with being on a capital pussers grey!
Good to see that you think so highly of the CSG staff and NCHQ planners.
The problem is the public who may not understand that future deployments will be different. Aircraft numbers and types will vary - criticising the relatively low number of ASW cabs without looking at the wider context is like criticising the fact that not every Lightning in the UK is being deployed.
Likewise several PWO(U) types have educated me that you collocate Pingers on the carrier if you can. If the T23s were both carrying Merlins, some of us would worry about the lack of Wildcats armed with Martlet etc. The Wildcat is shorter ranged, so logic suggests you put them in ship further out....
I don't, I think they're utter spastics.
Joe Public gives not a flying f**k whether there are Wildcats or Merlins on board HMS Hoopstretcher.......
If the Wildcat blokes & girls are pulling themselves silly at the prospect of going up against the PLA(N) with Martlet missiles then they deserve everything that is coming to them.
Jack wakes up, Jack has a dump, Jack goes to work, Jack does his job, latest 123 part blockbuster BBC series. Rest of the world? Not really bothered.So where is the new thread? Lots of video on youtube showing the departure (or just clips of various ships of the task force leaving Portsmouth once).