CVF and Carrier Strike thread

The first shore to ship at sea delivery of an F-35 power module to a carrier has been achieved by a Fleet Logistics Multi-Mission CMV-22B Osprey to the USS Carl Vinson.

 

Cromarty

War Hero
Except that once the RBNF went away, the requirement for ASW was reduced in perception (if not reality), which meant that anyone asking for money of any sort to increase numbers would not have got through the door.



There's a tiny problem with that number. HOSTAC tells you that the SH60F (the one with the dipping sonar) has a disposable load (MTOW-basic) of around 3500kg. Adding 4 LWT weighs 1500kg, which takes your disposable load down to 2000kg. Take another 250kg off for the aircrew and give yourself another 250kg for minimum fuel.

Which means you have a potential maximum fuel load of ~1500kg. That's nowhere near 3 hours, even at max conserve....let alone dipping.

Which is why the USN hang an external fuel cell on their Seahawks. Good luck trying to fit the 4 LWT's. The RAN should have bought Merlin, both kinds.
 

Mattb

LE
lots much longer ranged than knife fighting at point blank with a submarine that has lots of bigger and nastier torpedoes.
And? Still way shorter ranged than a Merlin carrying Sting Ray (or a hypothetical torpedo-carrying cruise missile).

But of course it is American, and thus the answer to all current and future threats and potential capability requirements.
 
The first shore to ship at sea delivery of an F-35 power module to a carrier has been achieved by a Fleet Logistics Multi-Mission CMV-22B Osprey to the USS Carl Vinson.

They're shouting about an aircraft delivering stuff to an aircraft carrier??? It must be a quiet news day.
 
They're shouting about an aircraft delivering stuff to an aircraft carrier??? It must be a quiet news day.

It was done by a -22 and we don’t have any, so we are fckuked.

Do we expect a Merlin to do it? We don’t have enough.

A V-22 would be ideal, a bomb truck to throw torpedoes out of, ability to deliver personnel and supplies, it’s a pity we have no plans to buy it.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
It was done by a -22 and we don’t have any, so we are fckuked.

Do we expect a Merlin to do it? We don’t have enough.

For that sort of shore-to-ship lift, Chinook would be the obvious option.

A V-22 would be ideal, a bomb truck to throw torpedoes out of, ability to deliver personnel and supplies, it’s a pity we have no plans to buy it.

Once you see the price tag to buy it, let alone fly it, you can understand why.
 
For that sort of shore-to-ship lift, Chinook would be the obvious option.
Chinook availability in the S China Sea?

Yes costly bit of kit, but one gets the impression Big Liz may have the space to carry one or two of the donks as spares?

Besides with USMC onboard they may come with the delivery address for that service.
 
It was done by a -22 and we don’t have any, so we are fckuked.

Do we expect a Merlin to do it? We don’t have enough.

A V-22 would be ideal, a bomb truck to throw torpedoes out of, ability to deliver personnel and supplies, it’s a pity we have no plans to buy it.
You forgot AEW Platform and dive bomber
 
And? Still way shorter ranged than a Merlin carrying Sting Ray (or a hypothetical torpedo-carrying cruise missile).

But of course it is American, and thus the answer to all current and future threats and potential capability requirements.
At least a dozen countries used to use the older version of ASROC. Only the US and Japan still operate it now (using the newer version). I suspect there's probably a good reason why it's fallen out of favour among so many former users.
 

PhotEx

On ROPS
On ROPs
And? Still way shorter ranged than a Merlin carrying Sting Ray (or a hypothetical torpedo-carrying cruise missile).

But of course it is American, and thus the answer to all current and future threats and potential capability requirements.

Remind me again how many torpedos the Wildcat carries again to not very far?
 

PhotEx

On ROPS
On ROPs
Which is why the USN hang an external fuel cell on their Seahawks. Good luck trying to fit the 4 LWT's. The RAN should have bought Merlin, both kinds.

Why would they buy a helicopter even its builders won’t buy as its insanely expensive and desperately unreliable?
 

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