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CVF and Carrier Strike thread

A bunch of spaniards who work in a very capable and well-equipped yard and who are likely to be unimpressed with what's left in Belfast.

That's before you start comparing the beaches of Cadiz with the delights of Belfast.


I'm sure H&W has put its viciously sectarian past behind it and Pablo the Catholic welder won't be beaten up, have his car trashed or a brick put through his B&B window these days.
 
I'm sure H&W has put its viciously sectarian past behind it and Pablo the Catholic welder won't be beaten up, have his car trashed or a brick put through his B&B window these days.
**** Off
 
I guess this might be the first time the USMC pilots have used a ramp.
Some have experience from previous carriers.
 
Current split for GroupEx is (I believe) 4 x 617SQN and 10 x VMFA211, which assumes that all 10 USMC jets embarked. That's partly due to the lowish numbers of UK jets (18 total in UK) of which some will be in Depth and some on 207 (the OCU). However, it does illustrate the prioritisation issues between Air Command and Navy Command - as this would appear to indicate AC thinks there are more pressing issues than a carrier group workup and are holding onto some 617 flights for other tasks.

The ratio will improve over time as the UK Lightning force expands - but it's instructive that on current plans, the second operational squadron - 809NAS - does not stand up until 2023. The plan for CSG21 would appear to be 8 x 617 + 8 x VMFA211, but let's see how things develop.

All of which goes to show that if we want to do this properly, we're going to need more than the 48 jets on order and an orbat of at least four operational squadrons, (plus OCU, OEU).
 
Published by: NAVY NEWS, on 23 September 2020.

HMS Queen Elizabeth welcomes UK and US jets for major exercise

HMS Queen Elizabeth has embarked the largest number of warplanes ever onto her deck as she prepares to take her place at the heart of a UK-led NATO Carrier Strike Group.

Two squadrons of F-35B stealth jets, the RAF’s 617 Squadron (The Dambusters) and the US Marines Corps VMFA-211 (The Wake Island Avengers), have joined the 65,000-tonne carrier as she sails for exercises with allies in the North Sea.

With a total of 14 jets and eight Merlin helicopters, it’s the largest concentration of fighter jets to operate at sea from a Royal Navy carrier since HMS Hermes in 1983, and the largest air group of fifth generation fighters at sea anywhere in the world.

In this month’s group exercise, HMS Queen Elizabeth will be joined by seven Royal Navy destroyers, frigates and auxiliaries, plus other supporting units, to form a fully sovereign Carrier Strike Group, ready to fight on the surface and in the air.

The Carrier Strike Group will be put through its paces off the north east coast of Scotland as part of Joint Warrior, NATO’s largest annual exercise.

HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed UK and US F-35B jets for a major exercise
HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed UK and US F-35B jets for a major exercise
HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed UK and US F-35B jets for a major exercise

HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed UK and US F-35B jets for a major exercise

HMS Queen Elizabeth has welcomed UK and US F-35B jets for a major exercise

Commodore Steve Moorhouse, Commander UK Carrier Strike Group, said: “The United Kingdom’s maritime renaissance has been unfolding over many years, as we introduced a new generation of ships, submarines and aircraft into service. But this marks the first time we have brought them together in a cohesive, potent, fighting force.

“HMS Queen Elizabeth will be operating with the largest air group of fifth generation fighters assembled anywhere in the world. Led by the Royal Navy, and backed by our closest allies, this new Carrier Strike Group puts real muscle back into NATO and sends a clear signal that the United Kingdom takes its global role seriously.”

617 Squadron’s Commanding Officer, Royal Navy Commander Mark Sparrow, added: “This is an incredibly exciting time for 617 Squadron as we begin a new era of partnership with the US Marine Corps building towards next year’s operational deployment with HMS Queen Elizabeth. You need to go back more than three decades to find the UK operating anything on this scale or complexity and this is a first for fifth-generation carrier capability. The era of big-deck, fast jet carrier operations is back”.

Usually based in Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, in Arizona, VMFA-211 arrived in the UK just under two weeks ago. Landing at the home of the Lightning Force, RAF Marham after the trans-Atlantic flight, they worked up with 617 Squadron conducting the RAF led Exercise Point Blank before embarking in the carrier.

Their Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Freshour USMC, said: “The Wake Island Avengers are ready in all respects to work with the British sailors and aircrew on board HMS Queen Elizabeth. We are looking forward to deploying alongside our British counterparts over the next few months, and we will work tirelessly as a part of this transatlantic naval force. We are proud to play such an important role in the generation of an allies’ carrier strike capability.”

Captain James Blackmore, the UK’s Carrier Air Wing Commander, added: “We are going to learn a huge amount from operating F-35Bs at sea with the USMC, they have had them longer and we can share ideas and practices. But this is much more than that; this is the trans-Atlantic alliance in action, demonstrating that two close allies can not only fly from each other’s carriers, but can fight alongside each other should we need to. This level of integration offers a decisive flexibility in times of crisis, conflict or war.”

HMS Queen Elizabeth, along with her 1,680 sailors, aviators and marines, is due to return to her home port of Portsmouth next month.

 

Rab_C

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Current split for GroupEx is (I believe) 4 x 617SQN and 10 x VMFA211, which assumes that all 10 USMC jets embarked. That's partly due to the lowish numbers of UK jets (18 total in UK) of which some will be in Depth and some on 207 (the OCU). However, it does illustrate the prioritisation issues between Air Command and Navy Command - as this would appear to indicate AC thinks there are more pressing issues than a carrier group workup and are holding onto some 617 flights for other tasks.

The ratio will improve over time as the UK Lightning force expands - but it's instructive that on current plans, the second operational squadron - 809NAS - does not stand up until 2023. The plan for CSG21 would appear to be 8 x 617 + 8 x VMFA211, but let's see how things develop.

All of which goes to show that if we want to do this properly, we're going to need more than the 48 jets on order and an orbat of at least four operational squadrons, (plus OCU, OEU).
Oh what a surprise the Crabs have started the pissing contest already.
 
Similar - but, NOT exactly the same as the above . . . ;) .

Published by: Xavier Vavasseur , NAVAL NEWS, on 23 Septmber 2020.


HMS Queen Elizabeth welcomes UK and US jets for major exercise.

HMS Queen Elizabeth has embarked the largest number of warplanes ever onto her deck as she prepares to take her place at the heart of a UK-led NATO Carrier Strike Group.

Royal Navy press release

Two squadrons of F-35B stealth jets, the RAF’s 617 Squadron (The Dambusters) and the US Marines Corps VMFA-211 (The Wake Island Avengers), have joined the 65,000-tonne carrier as she sails for exercises with allies in the North Sea.

With a total of 14 jets and eight Merlin helicopters, it’s the largest concentration of fighter jets to operate at sea from a Royal Navy carrier since HMS Hermes in 1983, and the largest air group of fifth generation fighters at sea anywhere in the world.

In this month’s group exercise, HMS Queen Elizabeth will be joined by seven Royal Navy destroyers, frigates and auxiliaries, plus other supporting units, to form a fully sovereign Carrier Strike Group, ready to fight on the surface and in the air.

The Carrier Strike Group will be put through its paces off the north east coast of Scotland as part of Joint Warrior, NATO’s largest annual exercise.



“The United Kingdom’s maritime renaissance has been unfolding over many years, as we introduced a new generation of ships, submarines and aircraft into service. But this marks the first time we have brought them together in a cohesive, potent, fighting force. HMS Queen Elizabeth will be operating with the largest air group of fifth generation fighters assembled anywhere in the world. Led by the Royal Navy, and backed by our closest allies, this new Carrier Strike Group puts real muscle back into NATO and sends a clear signal that the United Kingdom takes its global role seriously.”

Commodore Steve Moorhouse, Commander UK Carrier Strike Group
“This is an incredibly exciting time for 617 Squadron as we begin a new era of partnership with the US Marine Corps building towards next year’s operational deployment with HMS Queen Elizabeth. You need to go back more than three decades to find the UK operating anything on this scale or complexity and this is a first for fifth-generation carrier capability. The era of big-deck, fast jet carrier operations is back”.

617 Squadron’s Commanding Officer, Royal Navy Commander Mark Sparrow,



Usually based in Marine Corps Air Station (MCAS) Yuma, in Arizona, VMFA-211 arrived in the UK just under two weeks ago. Landing at the home of the Lightning Force, RAF Marham after the trans-Atlantic flight, they worked up with 617 Squadron conducting the RAF led Exercise Point Blank before embarking in the carrier.

Their Commanding Officer, Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Freshour USMC, said: “The Wake Island Avengers are ready in all respects to work with the British sailors and aircrew on board HMS Queen Elizabeth. We are looking forward to deploying alongside our British counterparts over the next few months, and we will work tirelessly as a part of this transatlantic naval force. We are proud to play such an important role in the generation of an allies’ carrier strike capability.”

Captain James Blackmore, the UK’s Carrier Air Wing Commander, added: “We are going to learn a huge amount from operating F-35Bs at sea with the USMC, they have had them longer and we can share ideas and practices. But this is much more than that; this is the trans-Atlantic alliance in action, demonstrating that two close allies can not only fly from each other’s carriers, but can fight alongside each other should we need to. This level of integration offers a decisive flexibility in times of crisis, conflict or war.”

HMS Queen Elizabeth, along with her 1,680 sailors, aviators and marines, is due to return to her home port of Portsmouth next month.

 
I'd simply note that cabs =/= pilots embarked.
 

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LE
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I may have missed the subtle hint, does that mean that UK crews may fly USMC jets?
As long as they fly on the right, don't want anyone suddenly taken home.
 

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