CVF and Carrier Strike thread

We're not the only Navy to have these issues
Yes but not many others talk about being a global blue water fighting navy second only to the USN in reach.
 
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Yes but not many others talk about being a global blue water fighting navy second only to the USN in reach.
Some of the blue water Navies do have similar issues they just have better mitigation's in place. It does come back to the point though, if you're running hot and expending munitions at a day 0 rate, day 1 and 2 are going to look awfully fraught unless you've thought about logs. See, someone loves you!
 
Some of the blue water Navies do have similar issues they just have better mitigation's in place. It does come back to the point though, if you're running hot and expending munitions at a day 0 rate, day 1 and 2 are going to look awfully fraught unless you've thought about logs. See, someone loves you!
I have seen how close to the wind we sail and have had to sit and worry about how quickly it would have become fraught. I'm not talking carrier ops. I'm just talking general maritime operations.

But by the grace of god it didn't happen so its tea and cracking OJARS (medals for LAND ops only!) all round and the rest is politely forgotten....
 
With the talk of one of the carriers operating in the far east, and the RN/RAF F-35s operating from it also being based out there, it is interesting to note the Republic of Singapore Air Force is to acquire F-35Bs, the VTOL version, and not as one would expect, the A model as most air arms are.

That would make the Singapore AF Fuglies able to operate off our CVF (s).

Singapore has been mooted as a future base for one of the shiny new carriers.

Maybe I'm just adding two and two and making five?.
 

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With the talk of one of the carriers operating in the far east, and the RN/RAF F-35s operating from it also being based out there, it is interesting to note the Republic of Singapore Air Force is to acquire F-35Bs, the VTOL version, and not as one would expect, the A model as most air arms are.

That would make the Singapore AF Fuglies able to operate off our CVF (s).

Singapore has been mooted as a future base for one of the shiny new carriers.

Maybe I'm just adding two and two and making five?.
Singapore are developing two Cavour type carriers for their own use.
 

Flight

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The budget "gaps" the NAO were referring to were the operating and sparing costs for the carriers themselves.
Not the fact that further B's past the initial 48 are not budgetted for? Well not until past 2029 anyway..

If the USMC don't continue joyriding then get used to half a dozen or so onboard in the late 20s.
 
Bit of a you tube on it, awful robot voice over but see your point on the quantiy

CSG21 will have 4 wildcat amongst its embarked aircraft.
 

aardvark64

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This is the UK concept for FASGW (L) and FASGW (H) mixed loadout on Wildcat.


Okay it's CGI - bite me :)
 

Cutaway

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This is the UK concept for FASGW (L) and FASGW (H) mixed loadout on Wildcat.


Okay it's CGI - bite me :)
No GPMG to engage survivors in the water ?
 

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ECMO1

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The USMC will bring organic TRAP with them.
Beg to differ with you but no they won’t, not if they are deploying with just 6 x F-35B.

From MCWP 3-2: The composition of a tactical recovery mission may vary from a single aircraft and aircrew to an assault support mission package that consists of multiple fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft with an onboard compliment of security, ground search, and medical personnel.

And when they say single aircraft I suspect they are thinking MV-22 or CH-53. Something that can actually land and pick up the survivor. Not something that can fly over and bomb the site of the wreckage. So you are missing the USMC ground troops and the rotary-wing capabilities.

For this planned deployment I would say that the RN is responsible for providing SAR/CSAR, unless of course there happens to be an Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) in the vicinity.
 
Beg to differ with you but no they won’t, not if they are deploying with just 6 x F-35B.

From MCWP 3-2: The composition of a tactical recovery mission may vary from a single aircraft and aircrew to an assault support mission package that consists of multiple fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft with an onboard compliment of security, ground search, and medical personnel.

And when they say single aircraft I suspect they are thinking MV-22 or CH-53. Something that can actually land and pick up the survivor. Not something that can fly over and bomb the site of the wreckage. So you are missing the USMC ground troops and the rotary-wing capabilities.

For this planned deployment I would say that the RN is responsible for providing SAR/CSAR, unless of course there happens to be an Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) in the vicinity.
It will be MH60s, or HH60 from the USAF, it’s a stain on our armed forces that we don’t have specialised Combat search and rescue units, I do t care of its RN, Army or RAF. The reason like many in the main building is that DSF thought he liked it, realised he didn’t when he couldn’t get his airframes.
 
Beg to differ with you but no they won’t, not if they are deploying with just 6 x F-35B.

From MCWP 3-2: The composition of a tactical recovery mission may vary from a single aircraft and aircrew to an assault support mission package that consists of multiple fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft with an onboard compliment of security, ground search, and medical personnel.

And when they say single aircraft I suspect they are thinking MV-22 or CH-53. Something that can actually land and pick up the survivor. Not something that can fly over and bomb the site of the wreckage. So you are missing the USMC ground troops and the rotary-wing capabilities.

For this planned deployment I would say that the RN is responsible for providing SAR/CSAR, unless of course there happens to be an Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) in the vicinity.
USMC will tolerate pretend CSAR for a flag waving tour, but any risk of smiting of the natives, they will bring their own proper CSAR. We’re buying 16 MH-47Gs for a reason.
 

Cutaway

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USMC will tolerate pretend CSAR for a flag waving tour, but any risk of smiting of the natives, they will bring their own proper CSAR. We’re buying 16 MH-47Gs for a reason.
It's almost as if you know everything.
 

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