CVF and Carrier Strike thread

The COD role these beasts will have is to the USN CVN fleet.

The US LHA fleet uses the MH-60S-nowdays 3 per detachment, and likewise the RN CVF is likely to use the Merlin in that role. The present exercise in the North Sea with QE II has seen the Merlins make shore runs to Cranwell, Northolt and Wattisham.

Next year's CVF cruise may just get 2 or 3 USN MH-60S for that role as well.
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The COD role these beasts will have is to the USN CVN fleet.

The US LHA fleet uses the MH-60S-nowdays 3 per detachment, and likewise the RN CVF is likely to use the Merlin in that role. The present exercise in the North Sea with QE II has seen the Merlins make shore runs to Cranwell, Northolt and Wattisham.

Next year's CVF cruise may just get 2 or 3 USN MH-60S for that role as well.
The USN Mh-60S will be onboard in the USMC are, where Marine aviation goes TRAP goes.
 
I might have had something to do with that... :)
@jrwlynch has been "fiddling" with our ships . . . again!! ;) .

First Phalanx CIWS mount installed on board HMS Prince of Wales.

 

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"New arm patches worn by COMUKCSG Air Wing".

(Commander UK Carrier Strike Group)

 

wafubustard

War Hero
That patch is belfing.
 

Yokel

LE
Never mind the patch - which does at least include the word 'carrier'. Pity about the shape though!

Yesterday HMS Queen Elizabeth returned to Portsmouth after ten weeks at sea - as reported on the RN website:

In view of the size and complexity of the carrier, she received a dedicated training package, initially off the south coast, to test the ability of all 1,100 men and women on board to deal with everything they might expect to face in peace and war.

The training package reached its climax with 18 fictional fire and flood incidents raging simultaneously – with the ship expected to continue flying operations while damage control teams toiled in the carrier’s depths.

“Given the sheer size of the ship, Operational Sea Training has been a learning curve for all involved,” said Lieutenant Commander Si Bailey, one of the 46-strong team of assessors on board.

“It’s been a challenging time for HMS Queen Elizabeth, but the ship’s company and embarked personnel have been receptive to the training and advice – and have done so with a smile.”

Having passed that assessment, the carrier shifted to the North Sea to welcome F-35 Lightnings from 617 Squadron, better known as The Dambusters.

It’s the first time operational UK F-35s have worked with Queen Elizabeth and they faced a punishing schedule once aboard, completing a record number of landings on the flight deck.

The future of Carrier Strike is a truly joint effort and the Royal Navy has worked closely with the RAF throughout the development of the carrier.

617 squadron – based at RAF Marham and comprising both Royal Air Force and Royal Navy personnel – progressed from qualifying pilots in the art of landing on and taking off from a moving warship by day and night all the way up to the first ‘four-ship package’: launching four F-35s on a combat sortie in rapid succession.

The fighters shared the flight deck with submarine hunting Merlin helicopters of 820 Naval Air Squadron from RNAS Culdrose. In all the fast jets and helicopters touch down on Queen Elizabeth 830 times in all weathers, at all times of day.

The collective training ended with a five-day test of the ship to defend against threats in the air, on the sea and beneath the waves, herself using F-35s, Merlins and frigate HMS Kent.


It will be nice to see an exercise in which the carrier is the to defend and support other high value units such as amphibious ships or crisis response shipping. Maybe later this year?

On the subject of frigates, helicopters, and ASW, the RN and RAF are involved in Exercise Dynamic Mongoose.

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two Type 23s participating have a Merlin and towed array sonar. Obviously a carrier can carry a larger number of them and maintain flying around the clock. Much has been said about the Merlin and reliability, however:

.....Each helicopter is expected to be flying for up to eight hours a day – operating in a harsh environment and using sensitive, hi-tech equipment including a ‘dipping’ sonar, lowered from the Merlin, or a sonobuoy....
 
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Yokel

LE
Expectation is one thing. Achievement is another. Merlin serviceability is still shocking.
How much of that is down to the aircraft itself and how much is due to penny pinching when in comes to spares and support? I recall that they said similar things about the Challenger MBT when it was in Germany, but when it went to the Saudi desert in 1990 all sorts of extra spares arrived, and hey presto....

When is the next Deep Blue type exercise? In 2014 they put nine Merlin HM2 aboard Lusty....
 

Yokel

LE
But:

1. Given the worsening geopolitical situation vis a vis Russia since 2014, with things such as the annexation of the Crimea, increased Russian submarine activity, and tensions with other nations possessing submarines, such as Iran, has the spares budget been increased? If not, why not?

2. Someone (@wafubustard perhaps) stated that in the 2000s the CVS usually operated with a squadron of six Merlins. Hopefully that should still be possible, and:

a) The Merlin has a greater range and endurance than the Sea King, therefore a smaller number can do the same amount of submarine hunting.

b) All the specialist ASW T23s with 2087 with have Merlins.
 
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wafubustard

War Hero
A greater range and endurance do not always mean everything if the serviceability of the asset is not always as wished for. The Merlin is quite maintenance heavy and you will not have the flex that was possible with more assets.
That said I have seen Seaking having rotors running avionics changes.
The serviceable cab landed on and as soon as it was lashed down the pinkie were taking black boxes out to fit to the other cab that was running ready for launch.
That was a long time ago and will now be frowned upon with all the improved regulations.

I hope the serviceability has improved since I last worked Merlin
 
Expectation is one thing. Achievement is another. Merlin serviceability is still shocking.
What's the issue with the Merlins? Is this something like a set of post-upgrade hiccups to be ironed out, or are there long term problems with either the helicopter or how it is being maintained and managed?
 
But:

1. Given the worsening geopolitical situation vis a vis Russia since 2014, which things such as the annexation of the Crimea, increased Russian submarine activity, and tensions with other nations possessing submarines, such as Iran, has the spares budget been increased? If not, why not?

2. Someone (@wafubustard perhaps) stated that in the 2000s the CVS usually operated with a squadron of six Merlins. Hopefully that should still be possible, and:

a) The Merlin has a greater range and endurance than the Sea King, therefore a smaller number can do the same amount of submarine hunting.

b) All the specialist ASW T23s with 2087 with have Merlins.
1. Money.
2b. Theory is a wonderful thing.

What's the issue with the Merlins? Is this something like a set of post-upgrade hiccups to be ironed out, or are there long term problems with either the helicopter or how it is being maintained and managed?
Not the first, hopefully the latter. There are 19 ISH HM2 in the Forward Fleet. That only 2, later 3 were embarked in a 10 week period should be illustrative.....
 
How much of that is down to the aircraft itself and how much is due to penny pinching when in comes to spares and support? I recall that they said similar things about the Challenger MBT when it was in Germany, but when it went to the Saudi desert in 1990 all sorts of extra spares arrived, and hey presto....
Err, not exactly. In order to fully equip a 'short' armoured division consisting of two armoured brigades to deploy on Op GRANBY, they had to strip the other seven armoured brigades remaining in BAOR of virtually all their spares and consumables. Not a good example to use!!

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