CVF and Carrier Strike thread

MoleBath

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Conscious that this is the CVF and Carrier Strike thread, and that @Yokel, will be along to tell us all off, I'm always slightly amised by the orthodoxy that the current regimental structure for the Infantry is wrong.

I have no dog in this fight nor axe to grind. Having said that, I accept that there is a great deal wrong with the Army including the Infantry. Undermanning, lack of capability, poorly thought out doctrine to call out a few. But perhaps I could why that is the fault of the current regimental system. It's true that there is no link to the old County Regiments but what would another re-structure solve? What would be better and why? Why do we need less regular Foot Guard battalions if we accept they spend relatively little time guarding feet?

I suppose what I'm saying is "Show working".
Indeed , the gunners abolished The Rocket Troop swiftly before MLRS came into service
 

Cold_Collation

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To be fair the whole concept is based on the idea that you can recruit and train sufficient new faces to meet churn, turnover and losses... When you have Capita wielding the recruiting net and 80% attrition in phase 1 training, that assumption may require a bit of work....
That, in bold, is - and there are no other words for it - fùcking disgraceful.

This is/was an initiative intended to save money. How much waste is caused by that wastage.

Something else that someone should get a kicking for but probably won't.
 
Yes - Initial Recruit Training is taking place at BRNC. I hear it's come as a bit of a shock to the IRT to see what BRNC is *actually* like.

Break.

Just been reading an Army proposal, which explicitly places the furtherance of capbadges and inter-Divisional politics as factors for a new Army wide capability. Didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
Can you add some detail, please?
Not really. But suffice to say something that looks positive for hte Army is being constrained because the proposer doesn't want to become enmeshed in capbadge politics.
 

Yokel

LE
Back to carriers and task groups...

And you think with Air and Surface sea radar on the CVF and her consorts they'd not know who was around in a 1000nm+ bubble?

Glare isn't really an issue that we're that worried about, looking out and avoiding the odd floating ISO, yachty etc is much more of an issue.
'Consorts' - am I not the only person to think that describing the frigates and destroyers as 'escorts' overlooks the fact that they can deploy independently, can escort other things such as shipping, and that they work with the carrier's aircraft - destroyers controlling the jets and frigates using their sonar alongside the helicopters dipping?

I believe glare is limited by glass additives, as there could be a flight safety issue with glare. I imagine a DEF STAN somewhere.

Strike is the new cool word to get your project or programme funded.
I thought as much!
 
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Yes - Initial Recruit Training is taking place at BRNC. I hear it's come as a bit of a shock to the IRT to see what BRNC is *actually* like.

Break.

Just been reading an Army proposal, which explicitly places the furtherance of capbadges and inter-Divisional politics as factors for a new Army wide capability. Didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
That plan might not survive contact with reality...
 

Cutaway

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bin all the Ruritanian Regiments.

1st to nth Infantry Regiment
1st to nth Artillery Regiment
1st to nth Logistics Regiment
1st to nth Armoured Regiment

enough with My father, his father, and his fathers father were Colonels dress up Regiments.

’tradition’ = we can’t change that old boy!
Sorry, I forget.
With which unit did you serve ?
 
That, in bold, is - and there are no other words for it - fùcking disgraceful.

This is/was an initiative intended to save money. How much waste is caused by that wastage.

Something else that someone should get a kicking for but probably won't.
My poor wording 80% proceed to phase 2 20% leave by end of phase 1....
 
That's a shame - it looks an interesting proposal (if we're talking about the same thing). Of course, there could be two new capabilities that are having to cope with capbadge politics...
 
That's a shame - it looks an interesting proposal (if we're talking about the same thing). Of course, there could be two new capabilities that are having to cope with capbadge politics...
F35b and P8 spring to mind, however from what I’ve heard people are playing nicely.
 
That's a shame - it looks an interesting proposal (if we're talking about the same thing). Of course, there could be two new capabilities that are having to cope with capbadge politics...
The problem is that there are too few units these days to justify the multiplicity of capbadges, but no one is prepared to take the hit.
 
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This has no place in carrier on board delivery, all that extra fuel??
 

Mr._Average

Old-Salt
May not necessarily agree with some of the conclusions but an interesting and thought provoking report from the NAO.

As usual, or so it seems to me, the real, underlying problem is the disconnect between the government's ambition for the service and the level of funding provided to achieve that ambition. Either scale back the demands on the Navy or fund it more appropriately.

"Our new report finds that the MoD needs to develop a better understanding of Carrier Strike’s future costs as it does not know how much it will spend on #CarrierStrike over its lifetime.."

 
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This has no place in carrier on board delivery, all that extra fuel??
The COD role these beasts will have is to the USN CVN fleet.

The US LHA fleet uses the MH-60S-nowdays 3 per detachment, and likewise the RN CVF is likely to use the Merlin in that role. The present exercise in the North Sea with QE II has seen the Merlins make shore runs to Cranwell, Northolt and Wattisham.

Next year's CVF cruise may just get 2 or 3 USN MH-60S for that role as well.
 
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F35b and P8 spring to mind, however from what I’ve heard people are playing nicely.
There are no RN pers on the P8 programme according to a mate of mine who is a P8 bloke. F35 has a few RN Pilots & maintainers but (as per the norm) they are not filling their manning liability.
 
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