CVF and Carrier Strike thread

If the CSG is in the SCS or Gulf, and a load of SSNs appear out of the Barents, it will take them weeks to transit back to NATO waters, by which stage, the threat will be elsewhere. Recent stats have demonstrated just how thin RN escort - and related - capacity is stretched and I really think someone needs to take a reality pill.

Use of coalition allies to back fill is fine...right up to the point where their national priorities are not aligned with ours...as has been proved with MPA support over the last decade.

Regards,
MM
I know the cloggies have slated a frigate to join the QE on her first cruise - I also seem to recall them saying this may become a permanent commitment (trying to find a source for that last bit with no joy).

I would also imagine if the USMC are flying off her then an Arleigh Burke might be along for the trip too.

The announcement by the RN in UKDJ seems to fly in the face of previous statements (specifically the Dutch).




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...I wonder if the WESTLANT 19 task group would include an additional frigate if we had not suddenly found a need to send HMS Kent to the Kipion are of operations...
Which rather illustrates my point!

...We do not have enough people...
Agreed, which reinforces my point that the RN can deploy a credible UK national TG. However, if that TG is more than a few days sailing from the UK, homeland defence will be compromised.

Therefore, expectations need to be managed or significant further risk accepted somewhere.

60s have great range and time on station, look cool and have an interesting approach to land on RN flight decks.

Unfortunately they lack a dedicated NFO and instead rely on stick monkeys to do their tactical stuff.
The RAN have the right idea and man their Romeos with a pilot, observer and aircrewman.

Regards,
MM
 
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I know the cloggies have slated a frigate to join the QE on her first cruise - I also seem to recall them saying this may become a permanent commitment (trying to find a source for that last bit with no joy)...
I can’t see the Dutch travelling to the SCS.

As stated, coalition support is fine until they have higher priorities.

Regards,
MM
 
The RAN have the right idea and man their Romeos with a pilot, observer and aircrewman.

Regards,
MM
There's a Merlin Observer exchange to the RAN R Sqn.
 
Things you could do with one years Overseas Aid Budget.
Buy three Nimitz-class aircraft carriers.
Last years spend was £14.6Bn apparently. Given that you can't actually buy a Nimitz anymore, that you'd also need something north of 15000 additional RN personnel to crew three of them (~£1Bn pa) and that a Ford-class carrier costs ~ $12Bn, that's not a persuasive argument.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't have a hard look at DFID spending. LGBT workshop projects for the Islamic world or dieting for Americans are unlikely to be a productive use of funds for example, but fantasy fleeting doesn't help ether.
 
Every chance they get, the Americans kick the tyres of QE and suck their teeth in amazement as how advanced it is compared to their still predominantly handraulic carriers
 

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Last years spend was £14.6Bn apparently. Given that you can't actually buy a Nimitz anymore, that you'd also need something north of 15000 additional RN personnel to crew three of them (~£1Bn pa) and that a Ford-class carrier costs ~ $12Bn, that's not a persuasive argument.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't have a hard look at DFID spending. LGBT workshop projects for the Islamic world or dieting for Americans are unlikely to be a productive use of funds for example, but fantasy fleeting doesn't help ether.
15,000 matelots might be a bit hard to come by. How about a couple of thousand M1A2 Abrahms instead?
 
Remind me again how understrength the army is atm? Even allowing for the allyness of Abrams - is that going to result in a sudden influx of wannabe cavalry?

Now - buying a load of spares, ammo and ILS support instead of sending outreach co-ordinators to Timbuktu, that might work......
 

Chalkythedog

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Remind me again how understrength the army is atm? Even allowing for the allyness of Abrams - is that going to result in a sudden influx of wannabe cavalry?

Now - buying a load of spares, ammo and ILS support instead of sending outreach co-ordinators to Timbuktu, that might work......
Perhaps that wouldn't work either. How about a few dozen hospitals? Schools? Meaningful help for veterans? Just trying to get the obscenity of the Overseas Aid Budget in context.
 
15,000 matelots might be a bit hard to come by. How about a couple of thousand M1A2 Abrahms instead?
Why? When they brew up once stuck from behind.
 
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Should've said the Eagle has landed at the end...

I was just going through the YT video comments and came across this:
"You can tell it's the Marines. They had to label the plane as F-35B on its side."

Haha.

Just checked and the UK ones don't have it on the side.

 
How about a couple of thousand M1A2 Abrahms instead?
Careful you might be addressing a real UK defence need in the face on a genuine existential threat, not just building a neo-imperialist castle in the sky to fight to fight people who don't matter in far away places. Thats' not a popular idea in modern RN/RAF circles.
 
Careful you might be addressing a real UK defence need in the face on a genuine existential threat, not just building a neo-imperialist castle in the sky to fight to fight people who don't matter in far away places. Thats' not a popular idea in modern RN/RAF circles.
When last I looked, there are ~ 2500km between the western border of a large potentially hostile nation and the English Channel, a distance which spans six sovereign nations, most of which are part of a large defence alliance. Care to explain why the UK (a traditionally maritime nation with global interests) needs to be operating a couple of Corps-worth of panzers instead of those nations? As well as providing a significant deterrent capability to said alliance?
 
When Southampton Played Dodgems with a tanker in the Gulf and Nottingham found that rock - was it testament to design, RN Damage control that both stayed afloat or just good luck
 
When last I looked, there are ~ 2500km between the western border of a large potentially hostile nation and the English Channel, a distance which spans six sovereign nations, most of which are part of a large defence alliance. Care to explain why the UK (a traditionally maritime nation with global interests) needs to be operating a couple of Corps-worth of panzers instead of those nations? As well as providing a significant deterrent capability to said alliance?
Because he has no knowledge of the “strategic” interests of the U.K, much like @PhotEx.
Instead of his 2k obsolete panzers I’d like (fantasy) fleets, a couple more astute, full fat T26, more ASW assets, P8, Merlin, etc.
Oh and a credible JPR capability.
 

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