CVF and Carrier Strike thread

This might be of interest with reference to AEW:

Engaging Strategy: Hawks and Crows: UK Airborne Early Warning

This once again highlights an important point about the dangers of playing "top trumps" when talking about military equipment. No single piece of equipment exists in a vacuum and the whole needs to be greater than the sum of its parts. It's no use having an exquisite AEW solution if by having it you compromise other, equally important, areas of spending. Quite often the old mantra "better is the mortal enemy of good enough" holds true when it comes to these decisions. Pushing the envelope out too far would very likely lead to a compromised capability, some shiny equipment but in tiny quantities and without the requisite behind the scenes support to actually get real value out of it. For now though it's clear from where I stand. Hawkeye is better, but Crowsnest (and Sentry) are good enough.
 
I hoped against hope that someone would appreciate this photo I took recently with my iPad on the Manly ferry of a CANBERRA class LHD alongside Garden Island. :cheers:

View attachment 337287

Anyone for a Bay class landing ship (HMAS CHOULES ex-RFA LARGS BAY)?

View attachment 337288
I have a couple of pics on my phone as well. Took them while I was walking around munching on some pies from Harry's....quite a few RAN matelots queued up for the pies around lunch time..

Our Menu - Harrys Cafe De Wheels
 
This might be of interest with reference to AEW:

Engaging Strategy: Hawks and Crows: UK Airborne Early Warning

This once again highlights an important point about the dangers of playing "top trumps" when talking about military equipment. No single piece of equipment exists in a vacuum and the whole needs to be greater than the sum of its parts. It's no use having an exquisite AEW solution if by having it you compromise other, equally important, areas of spending. Quite often the old mantra "better is the mortal enemy of good enough" holds true when it comes to these decisions. Pushing the envelope out too far would very likely lead to a compromised capability, some shiny equipment but in tiny quantities and without the requisite behind the scenes support to actually get real value out of it. For now though it's clear from where I stand. Hawkeye is better, but Crowsnest (and Sentry) are good enough.
Thank you, that seems the perfect explanation about why we can't afford the carriers.
 
Thank you, that seems the perfect explanation about why we can't afford the carriers.
Does it? How else do you provide a task group with the capabilities provided by the F-35B in various roles and the long range ASW provided by a large number of Merlins? If you look at most NATO naval publications you will find that task group operations are a recurring theme.

The issue of E-2 Hawkeye is an odd issue that confuses the public and media:

1. Even if the UK had preceded down the CTOL and F-35C route, where would we have found the cash for it?

2. Radio horizon depends largely on height, however it is not linear, there is a law of diminishing returns thing. The most important thing is to defeat low flying hiding behind the curvature of the Earth.

3. The E-2 Hawkeye is capable, but has a lower operating altitude, fewer communications links, and less people than an E-3 Sentry which does have very long legs.
 
Last edited:
Some Minigun gunnery this morning:


I first saw the GPMG and Mingun being fired from Illustrious in 2007, and was impressed by the tracer round shooting into the distance. I saw a picture of either Lusty or Ark firing all close range weapons - an impressive sight. Has a DS30M Mk2 (specifically designed to counter the small craft threat) ever been photographed?

Despite all the firepower, the detractors seem to think a capital vessel needs masses of escorts to deal with small boat threats.... The obvious point is helicopters are a huge part of dealing with this threat, hence the Lynx (later Merlin and Wildcat) getting the Heavy Machine Gun.

Do we have enough Wildcat HM2s to put one or two aboard? Martlet (FIAC killer!) and Sea Venom, combined with radar and EO systems.
 
Some Minigun gunnery this morning:


I first saw the GPMG and Mingun being fired from Illustrious in 2007, and was impressed by the tracer round shooting into the distance. I saw a picture of either Lusty or Ark firing all close range weapons - an impressive sight. Has a DS30M Mk2 (specifically designed to counter the small craft threat) ever been photographed?

Despite all the firepower, the detractors seem to think a capital vessel needs masses of escorts to deal with small boat threats.... The obvious point is helicopters are a huge part of dealing with this threat, hence the Lynx (later Merlin and Wildcat) getting the Heavy Machine Gun.

Do we have enough Wildcat HM2s to put one or two aboard? Martlet (FIAC killer!) and Sea Venom, combined with radar and EO systems.

Just wondering. Do we still have ww2 40mm bofors and 20mm oerlikons in store somewhere? As someone who has had the pleasure of having a go with both they would make splendid anti small craft deterrents and give the gunner a great grin.
 
Just wondering. Do we still have ww2 40mm bofors and 20mm oerlikons in store somewhere? As someone who has had the pleasure of having a go with both they would make splendid anti small craft deterrents and give the gunner a great grin.
There should be more modern BMARC GAMBO 20mm cannons in store off the large number of older ships that have been decommissioned.I doubt there are any 40/60 Bofors left as they are along time out of service. and these are replaced with 30mm guns, the newer set ups with stabilized optical tracking so not really needed. Especially when you consider the modern H&S world wouldn't really allow things like that to be just bolted on where ever in case something went wrong.
 
Just wondering. Do we still have ww2 40mm bofors and 20mm oerlikons in store somewhere? As someone who has had the pleasure of having a go with both they would make splendid anti small craft deterrents and give the gunner a great grin.
Manually aimed weapons as opposed to a weapon that was designed to counter the small boat threat, with an Electro Optical tracker, computer control to predict where the target will be by the time the round gets there, and air bursting ammunition?

MSI - Defence Systems' LTD
 
There should be more modern BMARC GAMBO 20mm cannons in store off the large number of older ships that have been decommissioned.I doubt there are any 40/60 Bofors left as they are along time out of service. and these are replaced with 30mm guns, the newer set ups with stabilized optical tracking so not really needed. Especially when you consider the modern H&S world wouldn't really allow things like that to be just bolted on where ever in case something went wrong.
It's been a longstanding problem with weapons hurting people.

Seriously though when I was seven or eight an Army version of a 40/60 power mounting was being demonstrated at a local show. God knows how many kids were on it as it was power slewed around, elevated and depressed with little hands everywhere. I was thrown off as it traversed at some speed.
 
I don't know how much I would trust that article when it thinks the QEC went into dry dock for the shaft seal problems.
It was dry - apart from all the water. More importantly - HER not IT.

China's one operational aircraft carrier, Liaoning, was built almost 30 years ago by the Soviet Union. It was purchased from Ukraine (under the guise of turning it into a floating casino) before being reactivated as a training ship in 2012.


Really?
 

Similar threads

Latest Threads

Top