Cuts to transport aircraft numbers - time to rethink?

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Thinking out loud... Later this week our most recent two Offshore Patrol Vessels will deploy to the Indo-Pacific via the Atlantic and Panama Canal I assume that their manning will be run of a three watch basis as with the other OPV, or be four months on four months on as with the forward deployed frigate HMS Montrose. One of the reasons for deploying them is to maintain a presence in that part of the World - a grey hull with a White Ensign.

Does sending an aircraft with the roundel and ROYAL AIR FORCE painted on the side contribute to maintaining presence and influence?
 

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Thinking out loud... Later this week our most recent two Offshore Patrol Vessels will deploy to the Indo-Pacific via the Atlantic and Panama Canal I assume that their manning will be run of a three watch basis as with the other OPV, or be four months on four months on as with the forward deployed frigate HMS Montrose. One of the reasons for deploying them is to maintain a presence in that part of the World - a grey hull with a White Ensign.

Does sending an aircraft with the roundel and ROYAL AIR FORCE painted on the side contribute to maintaining presence and influence?

Only in the lobbies of 4 & 5 Star hotels
 

Yokel

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Only in the lobbies of 4 & 5 Star hotels

I was hoping for a had a sensible answer from somebody who knew a bit about things like trying to get nation x to let us use their airspace and airfields - perhaps @Alamo or @Solo Dave - who has mentioned things like influence from peacetime activities.

Quite rightly, too.

Where else can they meet movers and shakers?
 
If the RAF and HMG want more A400M’s, plenty of cheap zero hours ‘we actually didn’t want them’ airframes are already on the sales list by the launch partners.

Further C-17’s can’t be sourced, USAF has none in the boneyard and it’s own fleet is being flogged to death too.
USAF has retired a number of the earliest airframes of C-17 into the boneyard, begining in 2012. There has been recent talk of restarting the production lines (v expensive) or doing a SLEP for those in the desert.

(I am not a knowledge god - this popped up on my feed today)

 

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I was hoping for a had a sensible answer from somebody who knew a bit about things like trying to get nation x to let us use their airspace and airfields

other than spotters, no one notices or gives a stuff about the odd RAF transport plane passing through.
 

Yokel

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other than spotters, no one notices or gives a stuff about the odd RAF transport plane passing through.

Surely that is the point? If their transit is a routine occurrence than getting permission from the local authorities at time of crisis will be that much easier?
 
Thinking out loud... Later this week our most recent two Offshore Patrol Vessels will deploy to the Indo-Pacific via the Atlantic and Panama Canal I assume that their manning will be run of a three watch basis as with the other OPV, or be four months on four months on as with the forward deployed frigate HMS Montrose. One of the reasons for deploying them is to maintain a presence in that part of the World - a grey hull with a White Ensign.

Does sending an aircraft with the roundel and ROYAL AIR FORCE painted on the side contribute to maintaining presence and influence?

OPVs showing the flag?! That's a bit surprising. Weren't they for the North Sea and fisheries protection? Hopefully the Batch-2 are more capable than the Batch-1, but no gun and no helicopter might not make a great impression wherever it ends up visiting. ETA: Although the impression made might indeed better represent our capabilities than a larger vessel would . . .
 

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Bubbles_Barker

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other than spotters, no one notices or gives a stuff about the odd RAF transport plane passing through.
Really? Yet another example of your unending ability to spout utter shit about things you know nothing about .

You’ve never heard of DIPCLEAR obviously.
 

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Surely that is the point? If their transit is a routine occurrence than getting permission from the local authorities at time of crisis will be that much easier?

if they are going to allow it, it’s because we have a government to government agreement for it. The Grand Poobah of Kalibar won’t be doing it because an A330 with ‘ROYAL AIR FORCE’ on the side flew through once in a while.
 

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I was hoping for a had a sensible answer from somebody who knew a bit about things like trying to get nation x to let us use their airspace and airfields - perhaps @Alamo or @Solo Dave - who has mentioned things like influence from peacetime activities.



Where else can they meet movers and shakers?
Potentially, yes. Lots of countries have an interest in undertaking training with the RAF, but it needs careful consideration to determine if the juice is worth the squeeze. Most want to play with high-end stuff like Typhoon, but getting them somewhere, operating there and not being too Open Kimono about capabilities can make it difficult, especially when set against competing priorities. We try to make detachments have direct force generation benefit, but often defence engagement will be the driver. Other force elements like heavies and FP Force also play a part on occasion.

Regarding transits, they are often of great value, essentially as recces.
 
if they are going to allow it, it’s because we have a government to government agreement for it. The Grand Poobah of Kalibar won’t be doing it because an A330 with ‘ROYAL AIR FORCE’ on the side flew through once in a while.
A lot depw6nds on the importance/status of the British Embassy andd the personal relationships the Ambassador and the Defence Team have with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Defence Ministry
 

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A lot depw6nds on the importance/status of the British Embassy andd the personal relationships the Ambassador and the Defence Team have with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Defence Ministry

We retain the legacy of empire of a string of transit stops stretching around the world.

Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension, Diego Garcia cover the stop over bases to most places we need to be. The RAF does think very hard about the range of it’s transport planes. See the fitting of the optional ER tanks in its C-17’s.
 
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