Cuts in warships, aircraft and heavy armour

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by msr, Dec 10, 2003.

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  1. msr

    msr LE

  2. More here from the BBC

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3304867.stm

    The general - speaking ahead of Thursday's Defence White Paper - warned of "tough choices" ahead.

    He said the plans had the backing of military top brass and were not being driven by politicians and accountants. (Yeah Right!)
     
  3. Yeah lets cut are forces, not in real terms just make the books look like we are up to strength. That way we can really scare anybody who tries to pick a fight with us. We won’t actually be able to do anything but we could get are big brother to hit them ie: the Americans
     
  4. at least we wont have to scrap our warships, we can just let the Navy continue to crash them into rocks but instead of towing them half way around the world to repair them, we could just let them sink.
     
  5. 749

    749 Old-Salt

    under manned and overstretched and now we want to cut back even more?
    havin a laff?
    thought we were fighting terrorists?
     
  6. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    I quite liked the idea of getting US kit or at least getting closer to the US, they at least don't fanny around on what is worth spending money on and so if we link our kit to working with theirs we should go along quite well. As far as I can tell in NATO the only thing that we've ever done is agree to all use 5.56 and that's it (I accept there might be something at higher levels).

    Remember the CDS is a soldier so hopefully the review won’t be too bad for us. The Navy probably needs the biggest cut, what, for example, use is a big grey boat in shooting terrorists?
     
  7. Really? Remember SDR?
     
  8. maninblack

    maninblack LE Book Reviewer

    Don't underestimate the power of the Admiralty.

    Watch the newspapers or do a google search on the Royal Navy and drugs. Whilst today in the papers the Army can manage a spaniel with a medal the RN are much more savvy than this.

    Whilst the men in green and grey have been shuffling around Afghanistan and Iraq for the past two years the RN have been waging a very successful press campaign about their successful drug captures off South America.

    They are being seen to do something, don't write them off as dead just yet. PR is a navy speciality.
     
  9. considering most of the big stuff and the bulk of supplies have to be moved by ships. Thease are usually unarmed merchant vessels who need protection hence the requirement for surface escorts.
    on method of entry into a foreign is amphibious assulault eg Falklands, GW2. amphibious shipping is lightly armed and there fore needs surface escorts. And air support from carriers who also don't have weapon systems to defend themselves and need surface escorts.
    What does the navy keep sacrificing to pay for the proposed carriers surface escorts!!!!!

    HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of wales will probably go the way of the last proposed Queen elizabeth canceled by the treasury.

    As to airpower we do unfortunatley need an airforce to provide air superiority, CAS, strike, etc and with the way the current programes and cuts are going soon it will only be useful for airshows.
     
  10. and touching each others bums.............
     
  11. This is all one short hop and a skip from a "Combined Defence Force"

    Well, it really worked for the Canadians didn't it :twisted:
     
  12. And as for CDS not having been under any pressure from politicians and accountants......Come on!
     
  13. why don't we just bin trident
    keep half a dozen nukes just in case or offer the whole thing to the EU
    not like there's any read hordes to nuke with it anymore
    at least typhoon can alledgedly drop smart bombs or turn up at air shows
     
  14. we've got cruise missiles on the ssk(N)s now so why not buy a few neke tipped ones and scrap trident. Labour answers CND's prayers and the Sub fleet becomes balanced.

    once we drop below 100,000 we stop being an army anyway and become a defence force so UKDF here we come. MMMM seem to remember seeing that FLA on some documentation in the gulf
     
  15. Bin all the planes and then we could use that very expensive if not somewhat pointless Air Defence stuff we've got.