Cuts in The Infantry

#1
The Mirror today reports that the Black Watch is under serious threat of being cut in the next round of defence spending. If the Infantry were allowed to vote out a regt or two which would it be. :?:
 
#2
Wonder why they are picking on the Black Watch again :evil: - the rumour mill is rife with who's going to go.......I guess we won't know until they announce it, but it will be a crying shame whomever it affects.

Very interesting articles in the Sunday Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-887132,00.html

It appears that the Government are going to push through a whole bunch of measures affecting everybody, regular and reserves alike, decided upon from pre Telic and to hell with the learnings.. :evil:
 
#3
From the article:

The Army Reserve will make up 15% of deployed forces, compared with the 10% contributed by territorials to manpower stationed in Iraq. Soldiers would be expected to be more readily available for service, with no lengthy notice period for employers

I thought the TA made up 25% of manpower in Iraq at the moment....

msr
 
#4
Ah the hanks of a grateful Govt.

I like the Dream tank - al the up of Chally 2 and light enough to fit in your Bergen, a master stroke.
 
#5
:roll: I agree that whoever is affected by the cuts will be sorely missed.
I also wonder how the Army Reserve will function as I'm sure many current TA soldiers will need to re-consider their positions. I am not knocking the average TA soldiers commitment with this statement (I had 10 years in the TA )but will it affect employment prospects if you delare you are on a relatively high state of readiness and could be called upon with little notice. Is it possible that 15% of Army manpower is over optimistic ?
 
#6
chiefwiggum said:
The Mirror today reports that the Black Watch is under serious threat of being cut in the next round of defence spending. If the Infantry were allowed to vote out a regt or two which would it be. :?:
KINGOs - any cuts there could also be viewed as a crime prevention measure.

RHF - Getting rid of 600 obnoxious Jock dwarves cannot be seen as a bad thing.

QLR - Another bunch of Northern monkies.

RRW - Getting rid of 600 obnoxious Welsh dwarves cannot be seen as a bad thing.

Both Bns of RRF - To prevent any of the above transferring in when their respective Bns get the needle.
 
#7
Line_Grunt said:
Wonder why they are picking on the Black Watch again :evil: - the rumour mill is rife with who's going to go.......I guess we won't know until they announce it, but it will be a crying shame whomever it affects.

Very interesting articles in the Sunday Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-887132,00.html

It appears that the Government are going to push through a whole bunch of measures affecting everybody, regular and reserves alike, decided upon from pre Telic and to hell with the learnings.. :evil:
No changes there then LG? Lessons, Learned, Labour....which word beginning with the letter 'L' is the odd man out?
 
#8
Ma_Sonic said:
KINGOs - any cuts there could also be viewed as a crime prevention measure.
Hmmm. Only if they are made to stay in Iraq after disbandment.

Other cuts for consideration:

1 DWR - boost the population of Fiji

Irish Guards - see KINGOS

Any Scots regiment - and put the money towards paying for that fcuking stupid Parliament Building

D&D - any regiment that sounds like a brand of sweets ought to go
 
#9
From the article:
(TA) Soldiers would be expected to be more readily available for service, with no lengthy notice period for employers
Lengthy notice period - we're having a laugh here are we?

Cheif Wiggum said

but will it affect employment prospects if you delare you are on a relatively high state of readiness and could be called upon with little notice
You think????

Bloody hell what's the matter with the MOD. (no don't answer that)



Scary
 
#10
This is crazy.

Who else will be affected across the Regular Army and TA (although, to be honest, the quicker it becomes 'Army Reserve' the better ... maybe it can scrap the horrific yellow/green logo at change-over!)
 

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#11
To answer an earlier comment, currently well over 20% of Army personnel in Iraq are reserves/TA.

As to employers - the REME have already been warned by an ex-REME General (a very rare beast) who is a big knob in the DMA - Defence Manufacturer's Association - that they were happy to support a war, but that the Government shouldn't take the pi*s in peace - i.e. now. In veiled terms, he mentioned not wanting to cover for overstretch (i.e. problems caused by previous cuts).

I doubt that MoD will take a blind bit of notice, so I expect that this will make TA retention even more dificult than it is at present. Recruiting, I believe, will stay much as it always has done (historically, remarkably steady - doesn't really get affected by war, peace, terrorism, government, anything much really). What will be more difficult is persuading employers that they are getting a good deal out of it - very few are altruistic about "supporting the Country" over in the UK :?
 
#12
msr said:
From the article:

The Army Reserve will make up 15% of deployed forces, compared with the 10% contributed by territorials to manpower stationed in Iraq.....

I thought the TA made up 25% of manpower in Iraq at the moment....

msr
The cynic in me says that if people realised that 25% of the guys in Iraq where TA, voters might start to think that the Army was being overstretched...
 
#13
Gave this to my boss this morning away he went to read it, 5 Mins later, Where the **** did you get this why ask i " It was not meant to be released yet" **** up, :lol: :lol: :lol: incoming to an office near you!!!!!!!!!
 
#14
I think the gov has just hit upon the answer to the retention problem!! Every time you fall 600 men short on recruiting just sack another Regt/Bn and thats not only saving costs but clearing up a shortfall. Classic way of reducing undermanning and a fav of the RA :evil:
 

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#16
QM -

38% - Good grief, it's worse than I was told - mind you, I am in an outpost which, like most of the "Outposts of New Blair Empire" (c) here are fully manned by a collection of TA, DFID, and various Contractors. No Regs within 200Km, unless you count the Eyeties and Spams, which I certainly don't. I do make an exception here for the S Koreans and Romanians, which are both hard as nails and top geezers.
 
#17
although quotes like this one:

“It has taken Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq finally to show that the old structures of territorial, auxiliary and volunteer reserve associations and TA dinners in draughty old halls just don’t work any more if the reserves are to be effective.”

shows how the ta is still perceived by some very idiotic military (?) sources, no matter how far from the truth it actually is.
 
#18
They may as well dredge up the old militia too if they are going to talk such pre-Halsey arrse.
What I want to know is what this means for other arms formations (cloudpunchers come to mind :wink: ).

While a minor amount of the bodies in my lot are unemployed and could possibly incorporate the greater service liability into their lives, even with greater employee legislation, its not exactly something a prospective future employer's going to like hearing at an interview, is it?

I love what I do (and I mean the training, not the piss ups) and would do more if I possibly could but I get enough hassle trying to organise time off for weekends and 2 week courses from people outside the TA as it is. I reckon a LOT would have to sign off in one way or another if there was a greater obligation.

Maybe a lot of the dead wood has to be cleared, but I am certain that an equal amount of valuable people with good skills are going to be lost if this goes through, and that can only be bad from my perspective.

Sounds like HMG wants an army on the cheap because it's cheaper and in some respects, quicker to train TA soldiers than with Regs. I think they are playing a dangerous game by expecting that a reserve army is a good excuse to further cut the Regulars.

I can't really see the feasibility in this. :evil:
 
#19
althought there are rumours that ta trade/ promotion courses will be disbanded too, and all army reserve pers will have to do the regular courses.
now, how can this ever work?
 
#20
Two quotes from this thread have struck a chord with me...


I love what I do (and I mean the training, not the piss ups) and would do more if I possibly could but I get enough hassle trying to organise time off for weekends and 2 week courses from people outside the TA as it is. I reckon a LOT would have to sign off in one way or another if there was a greater obligation.

Maybe a lot of the dead wood has to be cleared, but I am certain that an equal amount of valuable people with good skills are going to be lost if this goes through, and that can only be bad from my perspective.
As to employers - the REME have already been warned by an ex-REME General (a very rare beast) who is a big knob in the DMA - Defence Manufacturer's Association - that they were happy to support a war, but that the Government shouldn't take the pi*s in peace - i.e. now. In veiled terms, he mentioned not wanting to cover for overstretch (i.e. problems caused by previous cuts).
The govt are gonna ask more from a) the TA soldier and b) the Employer. What are they gonna give in return? More skills? (doubt it) More money ? (not this govt) Pensions? (you must be joking) Bigger Bounty (possibly..?)

Well said Old Snowy "that they were happy to support a war, but that the Government shouldn't take the pi*s in peace". I think that sums up the attiude of the supportive employers, and quite a few TA soldiers too. It'll end up that the only people who are in the new 'Army Reserve' are the unemployed unskilled single men and women.

The government are using the TA as a Temping agency, cheap labour for a short time as and when required, without having top give them the benefits the regulars get.

In saying that, I think the idea of closer ties with the Regs is a good idea, such as A Coy Queen's Own Loamshire Rifles (Volunteers) will be associated with A Coy 1 RRF (for example), and when they deploy anywhere on ops they will take a few from the TA coy, and in return the TA's PSIs will all come from A Coy 1 RRF.


/rant mode off.

Your thoughts........?
 

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