Cuts have badly damaged forces morale - Defence Secretary

Legs

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In a stunning revelation the Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has announced that morale has been badly damaged.

I know it's The Sun, but there you go...

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond admits cuts lower forces’ morale | The Sun |News|Politics

I do wonder about this quote though:

And a report by the Army Families Federation found that the number of forces households with debt problems has almost DOUBLED in the last year — to a huge 80 per cent.
Do 80% of Forces Families have debt problems? Credit card, loans and mortgages fair enough, but problems? If true I find it worrying.
 
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Biscuits_AB

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I wouldn't imagine that on average that they have any more debt than civvies. Debt may have increased, but I would imagine that this is more due to rising costs than to Joe Squaddie living any farther outside of his means.
 
#3
For one horrific moment I thought this was another RSS feed.
 
#4
They got this from the AFF?

That's diverse then, because it's not like the AFF is full of gobby Army wives who need to get a job instead of wearing their husband's rank.
 
#5
Hmmm, b*gger all to perk the morale of a home owner with no kids who could be facing the chop in tranche 3 or 4 (or if merged, will that become tranche 7?) then.
 
#6
Reading 'the plan' to allow service leavers housing priority or allowing them to use their pension pot towards mortgages is interesting..

The plan is flawed due to the housing demand outstripping supply surely?
 
#7
Surely it should read "Cunts have badly damaged forces morale - Defence Secretary"
 
#8
The only ones with poor morale will be those forced to leave.

Some were planning on leaving anyway so will be glad to receive a redundancy payout.

Those staying in just resume normal jogging.

They'll be whinging about lack of medals in a few years time due to lack of tours.
 

Legs

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- I don't have any kids in school (He's grown up and joined up himself)
- I already own my own house
- I don't use KFC ('cos it's minging), Vodafone ('cos their coverage is dreadful), Vision Express (I get a discount already from Specsavers), Austin Reed (Really??) and Thomas Cook (Robbing barstewards)

So not much there to improve my morale.
 
#10
Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.
 
#11
Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.
They do say that the Army is a fair reflection of society as a whole.
 
#12
The only ones with poor morale will be those forced to leave.

Some were planning on leaving anyway so will be glad to receive a redundancy payout.

Those staying in just resume normal jogging.

They'll be whinging about lack of medals in a few years time due to lack of tours.

They`ll issue a Long Mortgage to Service medal for the whingers.
 
#13
Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.

Oh, you`ve been to Tidworth recently. I`m surprised, you did`nt see any whingers out & about too.
 
#14
Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.
But our pies, bought from our shops with our money. AND, no more tours...
 
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Zarathustra

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Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.
I remember being told that people who are permanently downgraded couldn't be made redundant unless they volunteered. This is the reason PAP10 was introduced, to either medically discharge those who can no longer meet the medical requirement for service or to boot out those too fat and lazy to pass basic tests.
 

chimera

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Its the way the cuts are being done that confuses me.

Alot of good soldiers are choosing to leave.

Lots of fat, downgraded useless cnuts are being allowed to stay. Even being promoted for **** sake.

Are the sick, lame and lazy all going to be binned on tranche 3 & 4? If not, what the **** is the Army going to look like? It will be like the village of the damned!!! Big fat monsters limping around looking for pies to eat.
PAP10 has been taking these people out for a while now. OK there are some still about, but in my experience you would be amazed at the number of "miracle cures" that have appeared in the Fablon Biff Chit contingent.
 
#17
PAP10 has been taking these people out for a while now. OK there are some still about, but in my experience you would be amazed at the number of "miracle cures" that have appeared in the Fablon Biff Chit contingent.
Do you know many people who have been binned through the PAP10 method? I have been on tour for 6 months so not up to date with whats happening back in my regiment but I have not heard of anyone actually getting binned.

I do know that people are suddenly finding miracle cures to their once "severe injuries" and cannot wait to see them attempting PFT/BFT/PFA or whatever the **** it is called this year! I have heard of people getting binned for failing these on a regular basis.

Should have happened years ago and we wouldnt be needing to make redundant good soldiers who have the self respect and self discipline to keep fighting fit would we?
 

chimera

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Do you know many people who have been binned through the PAP10 method? I have been on tour for 6 months so not up to date with whats happening back in my regiment but I have not heard of anyone actually getting binned.

I do know that people are suddenly finding miracle cures to their once "severe injuries" and cannot wait to see them attempting PFT/BFT/PFA or whatever the **** it is called this year! I have heard of people getting binned for failing these on a regular basis.

Should have happened years ago and we wouldnt be needing to make redundant good soldiers who have the self respect and self discipline to keep fighting fit would we?
It is very much in the gift of the co so will vary across cap badges. I am RE and I know that some Sapper units were taking out up to 10 a year. COs were basically told a couple of years ago to lose the wasters so that the Corps does not have to take out good ones on redundancy.
 
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It is very much in the gift of the co so will vary across cap badges. I am RE and I know that some Sapper units were taking out up to 10 a year. COs were basically told a couple of years ago to lose the wasters so that the Corps does not have to take out good ones on redundancy.
That doesn't make sense. If they last all the useless ones prior to the start of the redundancies the only ones who could possibly be made redundant would be the good ones.
 

chimera

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#20
That doesn't make sense. If they last all the useless ones prior to the start of the redundancies the only ones who could possibly be made redundant would be the good ones.
It makes a lot of sense. Firstly the redundancy field is smaller as the headcount has already been reduced and secondly they don't go out with a SCP.
 

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