Cutbacks and Contempt for the Armed Forces- enough is enough

#1
The recent spate of stories about MoD mendacity and vindictive tight-fistedness are enough to make your blood boil. The same lies are recycled by mouthpiece ministers, yet the same outrages keep happening – Capt Phillippson was a victim of the same set of circumstances that allowed Sgt Roberts to die three years previously. The government commits troops to operations with all the forethought of a gambler with a blank chequebook. The grievously-burned L/Cpl Compton (reported in the Telegraph) will get a fraction of the sum a snout-trough minister can probably expect for resigning in disgrace, well below the maximum that is payable. Parliamentary accountability is at an all-time low, with no annual Defence Vote and the same recycled lies, fiddled figures and promises of equipment some time in the future. The Armed Forces are in a terrible state and it only appears to be the pride and sacrifice of personnel that is cynically taken for granted by the government that keeps things creaking along.

What to do? There is no prospect of an increase in funding or a reduction in commitments as things stand. Things will continue to get worse, with personnel of all 3 services bearing the brunt. The only way things will change is if the political cost for government of inaction is greater than that of taking action. One way of bringing this equation into reality is to mobilise a mass march in London, in the same way that the police did. It could be titled “Look After Our Troops” or “Fair Deal for Defence” – I am sure there are far better ideas out there. The march would be supported by families, friends and supporters but also serving personnel although not in uniform. I was at the Save the Scottish Regiments march 4 years ago and there appeared to be quite a few serving soldiers marching in mufti :twisted: This march would attract tens of thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands and would be supported enthusiastically by the media – witness the column inches that are generated every time the latest defence outrage becomes public. It could provide some impetus for change, if it was accompanied by clearly defined aims and objectives – these would need to be given careful thought, not just “spend more money”.

Enough is enough! :x :x :x :x
 
#2
Broon managed to find nearly 900 million pounds to give away during his recent jaunt abroad , even this sum would make a vast difference.
We must remember however that the main objective of Labour , new or old , is the total ruination of this country.
They have very nearly achieved it
 
#5
Anybody else notice how Darling managed to find £1.7 Billion to repay the Banks that Metronet borrowed money from? Nice that, PFI must be making the banks a fortune with zero risk.
 
#6
Kitmarlowe said:
Anybody else notice how Darling managed to find £1.7 Billion to repay the Banks that Metronet borrowed money from? Nice that, PFI must be making the banks a fortune with zero risk.
And the wonderful part of it is that the banks justify their enormous fees and profits because of the 'risk' involved in such large projects. Only in Westminster would that make any sense.

Lack of understanding and a correspondingly low priority would be understandable although unforgivable. Claiming there's no money in the pot then finding £25Bn overnight for the sake of the banking industry is jsut breathtakingly contemptuous. Still, squaddies only risk their lives whereas banks are risking money. Far more important. :x
 
#7
smartascarrots said:
Kitmarlowe said:
Anybody else notice how Darling managed to find £1.7 Billion to repay the Banks that Metronet borrowed money from? Nice that, PFI must be making the banks a fortune with zero risk.
And the wonderful part of it is that the banks justify their enormous fees and profits because of the 'risk' involved in such large projects. Only in Westminster would that make any sense.

Lack of understanding and a correspondingly low priority would be understandable although unforgivable. Claiming there's no money in the pot then finding £25Bn overnight for the sake of the banking industry is jsut breathtakingly contemptuous. Still, squaddies only risk their lives whereas banks are risking money. Far more important. :x
My bold - it was not for the banking industry but for a bank that happens to be mainly based in core labour voting areas.
 
#9
Kitmarlowe said:
Anybody else notice how Darling managed to find £1.7 Billion to repay the Banks that Metronet borrowed money from? Nice that, PFI must be making the banks a fortune with zero risk.
I find your naivity touching.

Darling, Broon, snivelling serpants (Departmental Secretary level) all have one thing in common: they are all looking for something to do once their mediocrity and mendacity is no longer tolerated by the electorate and next administration.

By allowing investment without risk (aside from risk to the tax-payer) they are attacking something that they hate: the free market capitalist economy. However the dichotomy of New Labour still stands: though they hate rich people and wealth creators, they are drawn towards them as moths to a candle.

When the senior civil servants retire in a couple of years, when Broon and 'eyebrows' Darling get kicked out at the next election, simply wait a few months/weeks or days and then see where they have found gainful employment.

I am willing to put a 100quid bet on now, that these politicians, and the senior civil servants under them, will all have consultancy positions or executive directorships of the banks concerned, or associated funds or investment vehicles. These scum will simply view it as payback time for the banks: "Back in 2008 I made you 1.8 billion quid. Now all I am asking is 350,000quid a year plus expenses for a 2 day week until I am 65/70/whenever I get bored".
 
#11
dpcw said:
My bold - it was not for the banking industry but for a bank that happens to be mainly based in core labour voting areas.
And the collapse of a British bank would not have undermined the credibility of the entire British banking sector in any way? Cobblers.
 
#12
Agreed, look at the appaling Patricia Hewitt - cocked up everything she was in charge of. Now she has a £100,000 a year 'consultancy' with Boots (former Health Secretary??) and is being put forward as next EEC commissioner. The same goes for the massive failure known as Kinnock.
 
#14
And Kinnock's wife....and his son, who headed up the British Council in St Petersberg until booted out by the Russkies. That's the British Council of which his father is head. Who said that political preferment and nepotism are the preserve of tin-pot dictators in third-world banana republics - apparently tin-pot dictators in Britain have reserved the right to do the same thing.
 
#15
smartascarrots said:
dpcw said:
My bold - it was not for the banking industry but for a bank that happens to be mainly based in core labour voting areas.
And the collapse of a British bank would not have undermined the credibility of the entire British banking sector in any way? Cobblers.
Wrong.

Remember Barings? Britain's oldest privately owned bank. Sold for 1 GBP. But that was under the Tories, and they understood that the financial sector needs to be lean to survive.

Northern Rock is an abortion. Yes people would have lost money. Tough titties. They should have investigated and understood the flawed business model the bank was using (which no-one else was or is). If they didn't understand it then they should have sold their shares and invested in something they did understand.

One of the most important rules of investing: if you do not understand the company (how it works, what it does, what the risks are, etc) then how can you make a sensible decision?

The whole Northern Rock debacle is about communist cúnts in Downing Street (nos 10 and 11) being scared of loosing votes in their 'heartland', a hatred for risk-takers and wealth creators and a stupid student union desire that the whole world should be nice and fluffy. There should be no loosers in life, etc ,etc.

If NR had been allowed (rightly) to go to the wall then it would have made investors a damn sight more active in checking their investments and it would have forced the government to make the FSA employ some people of ability, rather than the current bunch of politically correct incompetents.
 
#16
smartascarrots said:
dpcw said:
My bold - it was not for the banking industry but for a bank that happens to be mainly based in core labour voting areas.
And the collapse of a British bank would not have undermined the credibility of the entire British banking sector in any way? Cobblers.
NR is one of the smaller and newer banks, any "loss of credibilty" would have been brief. Instead we have tax payers money being spent to bolster a badly run state owned bank, how very command economy and socialist looking to investors. The whole coutry has lost credibilty with the approach the current set of idiots in charge have taken.

Oh, and they are in labour voting areas :D
 
#17
smartascarrots said:
dpcw said:
My bold - it was not for the banking industry but for a bank that happens to be mainly based in core labour voting areas.
And the collapse of a British bank would not have undermined the credibility of the entire British banking sector in any way? Cobblers.
Well THEY told us it would, so it must be so. And Mr Darling would have lost his morgage. Shame.
 
#18
Northern Rock should have been let go to the wall.End of story.

If the boot had been on the other foot and NR had made a windfall profit,would (apart from some tax) the Government profited?.No.

The idea of a private company is so the risk of dodgy/risky investments is bourne by the company concerned.

Those who lost on the shares,tough sh1t.

They said on BBC today that EACH UK taxpayer is now liable for 3,500 quid for bailing out this bank.

If HMG can potentially find 105 BILLION for Northern Rock,around 180 BILLION for the DSS so the workshy don't go short and over a hundred billion for the NHS,then unlimited billions squandered on propping up corrupt dictators in Africa as well as more aid to countries like China(who raised their military spending in 2007 by 33%).Why the problem with an increase in the miserly 34 billion spent anually on the military in Britain?.

I hope and pray for a military coup and to see the communists in the present government who have betrayed Britain over the last 11 years swing from lamposts in Whitehall.
 
#19
Le_addeur_noir said:
I hope and pray for a military coup and to see the communists in the present government who have betrayed Britain over the last 11 years swing from lamposts in Whitehall.
Let's get all Italian on them - shoot them and hang them from meat-hooks in front of a petrol station, Mussolini-stylee...
 
#20
sod it,raid the armoury and the support weapons cages and march on number 10! we can take the 50cals... wait a minute, oh yeah i forgot. we 'get them in theatre' :x
 

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