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Cut MoD costs by 25% say the Tories

#3
All this and fund the pay rise?

A body might think a politician is saying whatever they think the current audience wants to hear. But we all know how ridiculous that idea is.
 
#4
Ministers have accused the Conservatives of undermining the morale of troops in Afghanistan by raising questions about funding.
Well ministers are talking out of there arrses then. I can't for one minute imagine that Pte Knuckfuckle of the 14th Bn of Royal Blankshires is dragging his chin around behind him at the prospect of fewer Civil Servants.
 
#5
"Frederick Duke of York was preparing for the Napoleonic threat between 1792 and 1804 he increased the size of the Army from 50,000 to nearly 500,000 - and he did it with 38 staff at Horse Guards."

Yep - and those TLAMS, various aircraft, SSN, SLBM, ELINT sources, GCHQ, DSTL, ammo depots, Special Storage Sites and all the other high-tech stuff scared the feck out of Napoleon. :evil:

Lets get rid of the SO2 Diversity, remove MoD from the effects of the HSAW Act 1974 and the plethora of other sh1t draining resources.

A soundbite from a cnut!
 
#6
"On coming into office we intend to conduct a capabilities review to look at how we can get a better balance and achieve savings."

Which won't cost much at all, will it?
 
#7
Pit_Bull said:
"On coming into office we intend to conduct a capabilities review to look at how we can get a better balance and achieve savings."

Which won't cost much at all, will it?
I am sure the tories favourite management consultants are rubbing their hands in glee as we speak.

"Woop. Woop. More Free Money."
 
#8
What's all the fuss about? The MoD civil service is 40% of the size of the actual army itself, which is more than others, such as the US DoD - civilian employees are 30% of the size of the US armed forces. We do not need every three soldiers to have a civil servant dedicated to them with another 20,000 left over to run it...if anything it seems that it should be reduced by more than 25%.

Also interesting that a few days ago members were talking about how good it was that the tories were saying that they're going to royally screw some people, but as it had to be done it was fine. Yet now as they continue to do that, without threatening the actual war-fighting capabilities of the forces themselves, people start to get uppity. Labour has overspent in almost every area apart from the military, in order to repair that the tories are presumably going to have to minimise costs and improve efficiency, sounds good to me.

Alternatively vote for labour and they will lie to you while screwing you even more. It's seemed to work well the last two elections, maybe they can do it again.

Also even if the budget does not increase, it could even decrease by a little but with less of a bloated civil service, more of that budget will be going towards procurement.
 
#9
that may be true us dod civvies are 30%
but haliburitn and kp are massive load of contractors ?

diversity should be binned non subject and not important
HSAW one thing front line ops not applicable.
but using the same dodge at workshops and other places where bits of metal not moving at high speed leads to slackness :evil:
 
#10
Its OK, they all just have the maths wrong!
Start of the piece says 25% cuts but in the body of the text it says cut by a third. Apples and pears.

25% = a quarter
a third = 33.3.... %

If they cannot work that out we have shite it!

But for my part in my 28 years I really do feel that Liarbore have shat on the Forces and then blamed everything but themselves. Got to give the Cons a go at sorting it.
 
#11
right-grumpy said:
Its OK, they all just have the maths wrong!
Start of the piece says 25% cuts but in the body of the text it says cut by a third. Apples and pears.

25% = a quarter
a third = 33.3.... %

If they cannot work that out we have shite it!

But for my part in my 28 years I really do feel that Liarbore have shat on the Forces and then blamed everything but themselves. Got to give the Cons a go at sorting it.
They said overall whitehall budgets by a third. Not MoD.
 
#12
in_the_cheapseats said:
Wow,

Wonder it will come off.

Civil servants - feel worried!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8296575.stm
Perhaps you should add military as well. Those same civil servants that may be cut include the MGS that currently provide security in barracks, and those that clean blocks and unit lines, plus a whole host of other mundane tasks. Guess where these tasks will migrate back to.

Just a thought.
 
#14
pombsen-armchair-warrior said:
in_the_cheapseats said:
Wow,

Wonder it will come off.

Civil servants - feel worried!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8296575.stm
Perhaps you should add military as well. Those same civil servants that may be cut include the MGS that currently provide security in barracks, and those that clean blocks and unit lines, plus a whole host of other mundane tasks. Guess where these tasks will migrate back to.

Just a thought.
That wont be troops. It will be outsourced to a third party service provider. I am sure they already have the companies lined up and the ink drying on the contracts.

Naturally, it wont be quite the same service we get now, not without individual squaddies digging in extra effort and money, but hey presto - got your MOD CS savings for you.
 
#15
Nice idea but it may come back to bite them in the bum.

MOD Contractors are often more expensive than MOD CS, get rid of MOD CS jobs and they will have to take on MOD Contractors to do many of them instead.
 
#16
Generalissimo said:
What's all the fuss about? The MoD civil service is 89% of the size of the actual army itself, which is faintly ridiculous.
...and its about 1/4 the size of the Army, Navy and RAF. Which isn't ridiculous at all. Though aiming to cripple the support to our forces is very ridiculous indeed, except for traitors - plenty of them around the shop now, thanks to "open door" policies.

Why not avoid falling for divide and rule? There'll be no extra money for the Army (or Navy or RAF) anyway: there's a Defence Review looming to make sure of that.
 

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#18
Bazzinho1977 said:
Pit_Bull said:
"On coming into office we intend to conduct a capabilities review to look at how we can get a better balance and achieve savings."

Which won't cost much at all, will it?
I am sure the tories favourite management consultants are rubbing their hands in glee as we speak.

"Woop. Woop. More Free Money."
I see, so, in the units you and Pitbull were in, assuming you both served, it was the custom to initiate action without any sort of appreciation? Or maybe we should rely on the organisation with a vested interest in the status quo to carry out any review?
 
#19
First they'll hire a management consultancy to carry out a full review of the MoD. This will probably cost several million, so good times ahead for a company such as McKinsey.

Then they will find areas that are profitable, and sell them off to private companies such as BAE, Thales, etc. This will of course cost the government because you can't sell a company for anywhere near market value, or not give the company incentives and funding (think QINETIQ).

Then the job cuts will come, which will reduce the efficiency of departments, the whole 'cheaper, faster, better' phrase is a well worn one, and has been proven to be utter tripe, as everyone who has been told this line knows, you pick two out of three. So that means either a reduced service or an increase in the timescale, not exactly two choices the military want in the current climate.

Anyway, the main things that always happen in these situation is that consultants get paid a fortune, the MoD lose specialist knowledge and areas will be sold off that will mean the MoD losing the capability to carry out certain tasks and the companies that take over these tasks will be charging for everything they possibly can, bringing more costs to units.
 

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