Current biggest threat to the UK?

#1
Just musing on the possibility of Katla blowing up big style. Who does our national defence? Who goes to grab food off the frogs? Who does the internal security?


msr
 
#2
msr said:
Just musing on the possibility of Katla blowing up big style. Who does our national defence? Who goes to grab food off the frogs? Who does the internal security?


msr
??

Edited to Add: Quick google search later, apparently Katla's a volcano. Can't see why we'd need internal security against a volcano. Unless those volcano wallahs that destroyed Pompeii in Doctor Who were involved.

I don't watch Doctor Who, 'onest guv!
 

chrisg46

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#3
Iceland volcano?

Isnt there one in the azores that if it went kablooey could potentially wipe out the western seaboard of Europe & Africa, and the US eastern seaboard?
 
#4
chrisg46 said:
Iceland volcano?

Isnt there one in the azores that if it went kablooey could potentially wipe out the western seaboard of Europe & Africa, and the US eastern seaboard?
Not quite, the island in question is La Palma in the Canaries.

Two geologists (Day and McGuire) cited this rift as proof that half of the Cumbre Vieja had slipped towards the Atlantic Ocean (Day et al., 1999; Ward and Day, 2001). They suggested that this process was driven by the pressure caused by the rising magma heating water trapped within the structure of the island. They hypothesised that during a future eruption, the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja, with a mass of approximately 1.5 x1015 kg, could slide into the ocean. This could then potentially generate a giant wave which they termed a "megatsunami" around 650–900 m high in the region of the islands. The wave would radiate out across the Atlantic and inundate the eastern seaboard of North America including the American, the Caribbean and northern coasts of South America some six to eight hours later. They estimate that the tsunami will have waves possibly 1,000 ft (305 m) or more high causing massive devastation along the coastlines. Modeling suggests that the tsunami could inundate up to 25 km (16 mi) inland - depending upon topography. The basis for Ward and Day (1999) modeling the collapse of a much larger portion of the western flank than the currently visible surface fissures suggest is unstable was evidence from geological mapping by Day et al. 1999. In this paper they argue that a large part of the western flank has been constructed in the scar of a previous collapse and therefore sits upon unstable debris.
 
#5
Countrylad said:
msr said:
Just musing on the possibility of Katla blowing up big style. Who does our national defence? Who goes to grab food off the frogs? Who does the internal security?


msr
??

Edited to Add: Quick google search later, apparently Katla's a volcano. Can't see why we'd need internal security against a volcano. Unless those volcano wallahs that destroyed Pompeii in Doctor Who were involved.

I don't watch Doctor Who, 'onest guv!
For someone from the country I would have.., no wait, bloody yokels can't see beyond the end of their own barn...

Try: serious eruption which wipes out all air travel in the Northern Hemisphere and destroys this year's crops across much of Europe.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

msr
 
#6
msr said:
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Depends... Are you thinking we should call up and arm the staff of Tesco? Theres more of them than the TA to keep order and they know more than we do about the sourcing and distribution of foodstuffs...
 
#7
msr said:
Countrylad said:
msr said:
Just musing on the possibility of Katla blowing up big style. Who does our national defence? Who goes to grab food off the frogs? Who does the internal security?


msr
??

Edited to Add: Quick google search later, apparently Katla's a volcano. Can't see why we'd need internal security against a volcano. Unless those volcano wallahs that destroyed Pompeii in Doctor Who were involved.

I don't watch Doctor Who, 'onest guv!
For someone from the country I would have.., no wait, bloody yokels can't see beyond the end of their own barn...

Try: serious eruption which wipes out all air travel in the Northern Hemisphere and destroys this year's crops across much of Europe.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

msr
Australia sounds nice? :x
 
#8
msr said:
Countrylad said:
msr said:
Just musing on the possibility of Katla blowing up big style. Who does our national defence? Who goes to grab food off the frogs? Who does the internal security?


msr
??

Edited to Add: Quick google search later, apparently Katla's a volcano. Can't see why we'd need internal security against a volcano. Unless those volcano wallahs that destroyed Pompeii in Doctor Who were involved.

I don't watch Doctor Who, 'onest guv!
For someone from the country I would have.., no wait, bloody yokels can't see beyond the end of their own barn...

Try: serious eruption which wipes out all air travel in the Northern Hemisphere and destroys this year's crops across much of Europe.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

msr
Yokel?! Wash your mouth out, I went to a jolly good public school and Russell group university thank you very much.

On a serious note, Airbus have been working on for some years now commercially viable Zeppeleins as a means of large scale transport of both passenger and goods. Obviously there isn't a great deal of capital investment and the infrastructre is small but the potential is there.

As for ash clouds, short term yes bit of a problem. Long term not too bad the minerals from volcanic ash is beneficial to soils, look at Vesuvious in Italy and you'll see why it is popular for farming despite the threat of eruptions.

Public unrest, might be a problem but if they're starving they're not going to be strong enough for a fight are they? :twisted:
 
#9
STUFT would become a very well know phrase in the RN again.

As somewhere around 95% of all food and cargo imported comes in by sea anyway an Airbridge shouldn't be necessary.

If we are talking about catastrophic crop failure on the other hand, start learning to like rice and speak Cantonese!
 
#12
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads

A common theme is the importance of interdependence in society, and how a nuclear war can unravel these connections. The play opens with alternating shots of a spider weaving its web and of power lines running over Sheffield, as the narrator points out how interconnected humans' lives are in modern urban society (thus the title of the play). In the initial salvo of the war we see command and control centres disrupted, followed by the destruction of cities as more missiles hit. Law and order breaks down, then people apparently stop caring for each other, probably due to large-scale posttraumatic stress at what they have endured. Eventually, even language, a fundamental building block of human interaction, is barely recognisable.
edit to add.... replace the nuclear bit with major disease, environmental disaster, etc.
 
R

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#13
Given all of that, is msr saying we should justify the future structure of the TA against the chances of a natural catastrophe which would destroy society and civilisation?

If so, seems a bit of a waste of effort to mobilise TA to keep the nation together for an extra week, ten days, fortnight.

msr - send a strawman to the MoD, you might find you get a footnote in the SDR.
 
#14
You should change your name to really_patronising.

msr
 
#15
In the early 16th century a wave caused by an underground earthquake hit the Bristol channel and wiped out 15 parishes in the South Wales Levels, the total deaths were unrecorded as there were not enough people left to do the recording, In Cadiff St Marys church was washed away and people killed as far North as Llandaff some three miles from the sea, So it is not when, it already has happened and is quit likly to happen again, some say that Hecla was the cause of the mini ice age in the time of Samual Pepys when the river Thames had ice six foot thick
 

RP578

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#16
msr said:
You should change your name to really_patronising.

msr
Perhaps, but he does have a point though.

It was exactly this kind of 'latch on to any remote threat in order to justify our existence' thinking that lumbered a huge swathe of the TA Signals with NCRS for years instead of converting to something more useful instead, because horror of horrors, that might mean some of them might have to disband/rebadge. All of which happened anyway.

In reply to your original post, hasn't there always (well since WWII) been a contingency for a breakdown of law and order? Has it ever envisioned mobilising the Reserve Forces in any way for internal security?

Secondly, what's wrong with commercial shipping for importing foodstuffs? Lets be honest, how much arrives by airfreight in any case?
 
#18
RP578 said:
In reply to your original post, hasn't there always (well since WWII) been a contingency for a breakdown of law and order?
You tell me.

RP578 said:
Has it ever envisioned mobilising the Reserve Forces in any way for internal security?
Go and speak to some of the really old and smelly Offrs.

RP578 said:
Secondly, what's wrong with commercial shipping for importig foodstuffs? Lets be honest, how much arrives by airfreight in any case?
The point is not that we lose airfreight, the point is that we no longer have significant reserves of food and losing a whole year's harvest across Northern Europe is going to be a bit of a drama.

Who does actually provide our territorial integrity right now? Trident? a couple of hundred Eurofighters?

Try this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8631343.stm

msr
 
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#20
tropper66 said:
In the early 16th century a wave caused by an underground earthquake hit the Bristol channel and wiped out 15 parishes in the South Wales Levels, the total deaths were unrecorded as there were not enough people left to do the recording, In Cadiff St Marys church was washed away and people killed as far North as Llandaff some three miles from the sea, So it is not when, it already has happened and is quit likly to happen again, some say that Hecla was the cause of the mini ice age in the time of Samual Pepys when the river Thames had ice six foot thick
You dont half see some interesting stuff.
 

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