cs 95 the big issue !

#1
i have heard through many channels that cs95 is being binned ? well is it ? is it time to dust off those two-tone lightweights ??
 
#2
Must be, CS2000 is for sale on eBay
 
#3
I put this thread out on the signals forum the other day, i heard we were binning C95 and going over to lightweights again. Any one else heard the duty rumour?
 
#5
I have heard that Barrack Dress was being re-introduced Army wide. With Lightweights, Shirts & Jumper for wear in camp, with CS95 for use on operations & exercises only as a general rule!

Reason being CS95 is too expensive to maintain at current usage levels.
 
#6
I've been through 3 pairs of cs95 trousers in the past year, yet never had to change lightweights.
 
#7
The replacement for CS95 is called PECOC or somesuch 'clever' acronym. When I have more I will post.
 
#8
Source material has been sanitised:

The Army Dress Committee is developing the plan for (wait for it) FAD (Future Army Drss): this will include barrack dress and working dress and practical, smart uniforms for in barracks use (e.g., shoes that can be worn in the mess, warrior park and POL store without being a hazard in either...). This will include trousers, shirts and jumpers (it is unlikely that there will be a waterproof top as it will be very expensive).

CS 95 will be replaced by PECOC (very expensive) but for field use only.
 
#9
Just found this un-classified on the net:

http://www.defencetransformation.com/soldiertech05agenda.htm

KEYNOTE PRESENTATIONS

Future Soldier Operations And Examining The Future Of Warfare To Define Future Soldier System Requirements: Delivering Requirements Based On The Unknown

Examining the diverse nature and potential challenges of the future infantry operations environment
Urban Operations, Arctic, Desert
Linking the soldier to the extended force including: UAV’s, Satellites, Remote Sensors
Examining future requirements for engaging in Operations Other Than War (OOTW)
Addressing the challenges of poorly defined areas of operation
Matching traditional war fighter qualities with the requirements of the digitised age
Maintaining soldier system pace with the potential role of the soldier

To be invited:
Colonel ************************
Deputy Director Equipment Capability, Ground Maneuver,
MoD, UK

CLOTHING

A Shift From Commodity To Capability: Assessing How The UK Defence Clothing IPT Are Meeting The Needs Of The FIST Programme

Evaluating the limitations of current clothing systems
Turning ideas into reality: How to turn a capability requirement into a reality
Assessing how the creation of PECOC (Personnel Equipment & Common Operational Clothing) will speed up the development of the next generation of combat clothing
Examining how the Defence Clothing IPT are reducing the size of traditional kit in order to meet the weight and volume requirements of FIST
The practical realities of how the Defence Clothing IPT are finding the balance between surviving through mobility and surviving through protection

CONFIRMED:
Colonel ********************
IPT Leader Defence Clothing IPT,
DLO MoD UK
 
#10
All it needs is a tie and very smart it would be indeed. I've only ever dealt with CS95, all though the barracks dress option is there, so a question to those who were there when it was common place...

Will a change over hinder productivity at all? Or could you do everything you do in barracks now (in CS95) in barracks dress? Other than looking somewhat better dressed...
 
#11
#Barbs clears throat#

Uniform is an integral part of the moral component of fighting power.

#party line over#

The way uniform was described to me was:

No 1 Dress - Tails
Mess Kit - White Tie
Service Dress - Suit
Barrack Dress - Jacket and Tie

You should wear them as you would the alternatives. In an office Barrack Dress or Service Dress; we have fallen into a cultural trap recently in that commanders at every level wear CS95 out of convenience not utility.

Combats is for the field or training.
 
#12
Fair point however, The current clothing is comfortable and does not hinder movement. I see the point that a desk jocky may not require to be wearing clothing such as this but consider a commander and his staff who get their hands dirty with the lads. Comes to work in SD and does a couple of hours in the office then wants to go and join the lads or do some none office based work. This person then has to go and change into working dress and then back again when returing to the office. Time wasting? This could also lead to a them and us attitude. In addition uniform by its very name should be uniform accross the ranks. We are always told you are a soldier first so should we not be dressed to carry out this job?
 
#13
Fatcakes,

I change uniform about four times a day - in order that I am in the correct order of dress for each part of it.

I see the point but it makes us lazy if we do dumb down or go lowest common denominator. I have seen officers and soldiers punting about in the NAAFI and up to three hours after a tab still wearing the same shit they finished in- now that is unprofessional and idle.

Additionally wearing a particular uniform puts you inthe correct frame of mind - if you are in CS95 on parade you will feel out of place, look out of place and it will look arrse. A parade in No 2s looks smart and the sioldiers feel smart.
 
#15
barbs said:
Fatcakes,

I change uniform about four times a day - in order that I am in the correct order of dress for each part of it.

I see the point but it makes us lazy if we do dumb down or go lowest common denominator. I have seen officers and soldiers punting about in the NAAFI and up to three hours after a tab still wearing the same s*** they finished in- now that is unprofessional and idle.

Additionally wearing a particular uniform puts you inthe correct frame of mind - if you are in CS95 on parade you will feel out of place, look out of place and it will look arrse. A parade in No 2s looks smart and the sioldiers feel smart.
What exactly is the difference between Working Dress and Barrack Dress and when would you wear one but not the other? Most people before C95 seem to have worn lightweights for everyday stuff. Are these part of barrack dress? I'm in the TA and have only known C95.
 
#16
In my memory:

Working Dress was lightweights, shirt and jumper heavy wool with combat boots (of issue variety only) with beret or tam o shanter. Worn when working on the vehicles or cleaning weapons etc.

Barrack Dress was service dress trousers with regimental jumper and forage cap or glengarry. Wron when conducting administrative tasks.
 
#17
I agree totally about the slothing about in the same kit after a tab thats bad drills..

I'm not saying stick totally to c95. I always enjoyed lightweights and shirt sleeve order it looked smart and allowed you to carryout duties that SD is just not practical for. It also kept everyone looking the same but allowed for individual flare, green and white lightweights (I think that looked arrse some however thought it looked good) etc.

Yes looking smart is very important and I like the ref to moral componant but practical also needs to be considered.

IMHO a return to lightweights and shirt\jersy heavy wool would solve the problem it would stop the
dumb down or go lowest common denominator
but would allow all ranks to carry out their jobs requiring a minimum of uniform changes during the day.
 
#18
Fatcakes,

I agree - we should wear whatever is most practical, but still being smart - CS95 in an office is odd, its not as if you are trying to disrupt your silhouette and blend into the background/avoid the IR sight... or maybe you are :)
 
#19
If only... I've found the best way to avoid being noticed in the office is to do the paperwork at home and get out with the lads during the day.
Might have to get a rubber tree on my desk and see if the cam works :D
 
#20
Put very simply, the replacement for CS95 is being called Op PEGASUS. It will provide a vastly better set of kit for field use only...it's very good indeed...although I have my doubts about DPM mesh sided boots. It will be rolled out in temperate, desert and urban styles.

In barracks (non op) kit will consist of a newly designed set of kit, broadly consistent with the old-style lightweights and jumper rig we all used to wear. In addition, a vaguely barathea-style element will be incorporated into the trousers.

All very complicated to explain without posting the pics - I'll see what I can do.
 

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