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Cry Freedom, mince pies and Chrimbo Trees - Moron’s charter?

Aye. Going back to our PMs the other day, the local brewery here will be serving food at its tap room. It’s not going to be a meal with every round.

This is truly farcical. And I don’t blame the businesses for trying to work round it all.

Using the information from this interview, I know a local landlord who is going to introduce a sausage roll and salad for £1.

 
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The majority of the tier stuff is to do with hospital capacity
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It's been eight months, and billions have been spent. But, none of that time or money appears to have been spent on increasing capacity. (Nightingales aside - although without staff they're pretty pointless)
 
Surely the whole "pub serving food" business is more to do with the relative takings and therefore the economy?

A small group of people sitting down to a meal and a couple of drinks would generally be expected to spend more than a couple of people meeting for a pint or two.

Profit margins are better on the pints and less infrastructure required to serve them. Running a kitchen to serve pies with your pint can get a bit expensive.

Beaten to it by @Chef and more succinctly put.
 
The majority of the tier stuff is to do with hospital capacity more than any other factor. Most are full/nearly full and Emergency Department/ICU are on chinstraps and winter hasn't even started yet. It's based on if the local hospitals are full, they can't cope with the normal winter pressies that are coming nevermind COVID patients.

Right now they're full and that's ok, the fun and games are about to start when the spike hits from winter/Christmas shenanigans they will start to make real triage decisions like back in round 1; ie we will have to pull that granny off life support and out this new 39 year old in their place because of survival odds. Instead of 2 nurses to each intense care bed it's now going to be 4 beds for each nurse.

It's never been about saving lives it's been about preserving hospital capacity. London has a lot more ICU capacity currently so the tier is lower.

The potential saving grace is the vaccine getting into care homes and the most vulnerable from next week. This is probably be offset by the Christmas stuff.

Not sure why this isn't being given out by the PM etc but based on how shoddy this second lockdown has been I'd guess they realise now that those who don't care will carry on not caring anyway and those that do will keep being careful.

London doesn't have more ICU capacity per capita than anywhere else, but it's where the economy generates the most wealth, which is the real reason it's in Tier2.

Fair enough, just cut the bullshit and say so.

How many '39 year olds' will require granny to relinquish her ICU bed?

That's right, none.

So stop talking shite.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
London doesn't have more ICU capacity per capita than anywhere else, but it's where the economy generates the most wealth, which is the real reason it's in Tier2.

Fair enough, just cut the bullshit and say so.

How many '39 year olds' will require granny to relinquish her ICU bed?

That's right, none.

So stop talking shite.
But hold on a minute - most of the people who generate that wealth work in London, they don't live there. They commute, and a hell of a lot of them are now working from home and will be for the foreseeable.

I know this because I can hear SWMBO working upstairs right now. She deal with a lot of fund managers, and many of those have been told to not even bother thinking about the office until next June, if ever.

How many of the people living in London are actually a part of the huge amounts of money that London generates? It's not an industrial centre, and tourism isn't doing anything at the moment.
 

Yokel

LE
London doesn't have more ICU capacity per capita than anywhere else, but it's where the economy generates the most wealth, which is the real reason it's in Tier2.

Fair enough, just cut the bullshit and say so.

How many '39 year olds' will require granny to relinquish her ICU bed?

That's right, none.

So stop talking shite.

Are you sure that no young-ish working age people will need ICU treatment for COVID-19? What about those with weakened immune systems or things like Asthma?

It might not kill many younger people but what are the problems with lots of people getting Long COVID?
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
From today's Telegraph. Backtracking:

"Environment Secretary George Eustice has said customers at restaurants and pubs in Tier 2 will be allowed to finish their drinks.

He told Sky News: “I think you can finish your drink provided you’re at a table and you’ve had a drink with a meal then, of course, you can finish your drink as well.

“What you probably couldn’t do is have a small meal and then sit at the table all night ordering drink.”

Under Tier 2 restrictions, venues can only serve alcohol when accompanied by a meal, such as a full breakfast, lunch or evening meal.

The Beer and Pub Association has estimated that 14,000 of the 21,000 pubs in Tier 2 areas will remain shut because they cannot serve meals or do not believe it is financially viable to open.

Mr Eustice’s advice contradicts a warning by the Government last week that pub-goers in Tier 2 must leave after finishing their "substantial meal"."
 
Based on the ONS figure, hospitalisations and intensive care numbers lag behind the infection rates so the remaining capacity is more based on what has happened rather than what is happening, other things being equal.

If one area has more headroom than another that could be grounds for a lower tier, even if the rates are the same.
 

civvy

Old-Salt
Sums up the modern attitude nicely.

On the street a couple of days back and a masked up acquaintance asked why I wasn't wearing a mask.

'Because we're outside and it's not required. (Yet).'

'Ooh you're brave! Aren't you worried about catching it?'

This, asked on a street with just the two of us about ten foot apart.


Twenty years of ads saying 'Where there's a blame there's a claim' will cause that mind set.


Those public service broadcasts about COVID would be more useful if they demonstarted how to wear a mask properly. If it isn't covering your mouth and nose, don't bother. I'm told by daughter that there is aproper way of putting on and taking off a mask as well.
 

CaptainCowpat

Old-Salt
It's been eight months, and billions have been spent. But, none of that time or money appears to have been spent on increasing capacity. (Nightingales aside - although without staff they're pretty pointless)

Essentially two years training to be able to work in ICU, doesn't matter what money is thrown at it, already understaffed too, the last 3 winters have been on the verge. Training staff have been sent home since March.

London doesn't have more ICU capacity per capita than anywhere else, but it's where the economy generates the most wealth, which is the real reason it's in Tier2.

Fair enough, just cut the bullshit and say so.

How many '39 year olds' will require granny to relinquish her ICU bed?

That's right, none.

So stop talking shite.
London has the ability to quickly divert to nearby ED and ICU because of the extra capacity and amount of hospitals in a small area. I'm sorry if you don't like the facts.

It happened this year already. Paramedics were issued guidance to only attempt CPR once at carehomes. DNRs were widely supplied en mass. Patients who would not survive were put on end of life care instead of going into ICU. If (When) the surge happens this Winter it will happen again.

How many 39 year olds will require ED treatment or a bed in ICU? A hell of a lot, COVID hasn't stopped car crashes, heart attacks, strokes, accidents and falls will still happen, those beds are currently full. The capacity is halved already because of then being split into hot and cold sections. Staff is down between 10-15% due to Covid on top of that.

Where do you think you're going to be treated if you come off your bike or get into a crash? Patients with poor outlooks will be moved out and those with better moved in, again. The 39 year old will be in the bed, granny will be put into a side cubical and managed.

This has already been done this year.

Why do you think the government have been desperate for flu jabs to be given? Flu and pneumonia season hasn't hit yet, the surge from Christmas hasn't hit yet, the beds are full, the frontline staff are on the verge of burn out. The government is using up all of it's political capital, nevermind the cash, on this because this winter has the prospect of being extraordinary
 

Wee Hawken

Old-Salt
Or alternatively: tell people to stay at home, observe the rule of six, and celebrate Easter instead.

Lockdown until next year but with a week off in the middle? Where's the logic in that?
Well there you have it. I hate to say "I told you so" but at least our rather slow-off-the-mark PM has finally seen some sense...

The useless gimp.
 
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