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Croydon shooting

I was recently chatting to a female acquaintance, Croydon born and bred, done pretty well for herself , and the subject of the scrotey areas came up.
As a relative newcomer I made the usual jokes about New Addington and West Croydon and the gist of her response was a tad thought provoking:
In a nutshell, she would rather get the tram from the town centre to New Addington-maybe a 45 minute round trip-to do her shopping than venture west on foot, 5 minutes away.
Because you've got far less chance of being attacked by "some cnut too thick and stupid to even realise what he's doing is bad, can't even tell the time and will still blame it on me for being white".
I'll let you work out the demographics of the two areas.
You mean, the appraisal by a Labour source,that Labour got Immigration horrendously wrong is in fact correct?
 
How do you know they were inexperienced?

As for “how can you miss a gun” comments, short of doing a strip searched on the streets which is not permitted, you will miss things. You’d be surprised what people can conceal and where they can conceal it.
Speaking for myself only, I'm not. I've been very surprised where I've found things. I once found a flick knife in the small of the back under clingfilm, but our rub downs were quite thorough and sometimes converted to strip. People do tend to forget that a rub down is only to spare blushes, if you use the fingers properly, you get a hint that all is not right.
 
How do you know they were inexperienced?

As for “how can you miss a gun” comments, short of doing a strip searched on the streets which is not permitted, you will miss things. You’d be surprised what people can conceal and where they can conceal it.

While I agree that one would be surprised what people can conceal, the initial reports suggested he wasn't cuffed. To answer your question, I have worked with a lot of msc's in the last 7 years on neighbourhoods and response and with some very notable exceptions most just don't have the time to advance themselves beyond the skill set of 'keen but inexperienced probationer' and I'm being generous there too.

Several became practically full time response officers during covid and fully integrated and were every bit reliable but there was a definite element of bringing them up to speed initially.

But as has been said, speculation when so little information is out is unhelpful and I think for me it was easier to imagine there must have been a critical failure somewhere than a tragedy where everything was done right. It was not helpful on my part.
 
As I no longer involve myself with the BBC I will take your word for granted.

Hopefully Andrew Neil's new news channel will bring back some balance
 

Slime

LE
Sky News at 10 pm led with the murder of the Sergeant.

The running order on BBC at 11 pm was:
Trump nominates attractive catholic mother of 5 to Supreme Court
Ruth Bader Goblin lies in state
Updated numbers of coronavirus in the USA
(at this stage, I actually clicked to make sure I hadn’t stumbled upon a specialist USA bulletin).
Fourth item: the murder of the New Zealand born officer.

With all the pressure the BBC is presently under, I find this quite a remarkable editorial judgement.

After the shooting became the lead story on TalkRadio yesterday the Beeb radio continued with a story about uni students and being kept in halls of residence.

Putting Beeb Radio 5 on at 23:00 last night the main feature was still students, and how covid restrictions could mean they are paying for tuition they won’t receive.

I also noted that mid morning Sadiq Khan was still describing the shooting as an incident. ‘Incident’ is only a word, but he may as well been describing something as serious as not having his favourite biscuit with his morning coffee imho.
 

Slime

LE
Apologies if I have missed this, and this is more a question than speculating on failures.

If the suspect was cuffed as per press statements later on yesterday, could he have shot himself while trying to shoot the custody sergeant?

Aiming while your hands are cuffed behind your back can’t be the easiest of things to do.
I note the MSM used the phrase ‘then turned the gun on himself’ before they had been given any proper details.
How could the MSM know? How could they know which of the six shots was the one that went into the suspect?
 
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Poignant photo, an ex-copper mourning the death of a mate both from a different generation of policing and the current generation of 5ft women in glasses watching on in the background.
 

O Zangado

War Hero
Don't know if it has been raised earlier and possibly I'm thinking out of my arrse, but the thought struck me that, given the current hostile atmosphere generated by the likes of Abbott, Lammy and Butler (from whom little or nothing has been heard about this latest murder), the strident BLM hate mongers, liberals and senior figures in the police force service itself, a junior copper on the front line (for that is what it is these days) is hardly likely to be too diligent in a search lest he is pilloried and faced with career threatening accusations for having the temerity to be correctly suspicious about what turned out to be yet another drug dealing, gun carrying scrote....in a London suburb....at 02h00.

RIP, Sgt Matiu 'Matt' Ratana.

OZ
 
Speaking for myself only, I'm not. I've been very surprised where I've found things. I once found a flick knife in the small of the back under clingfilm, but our rub downs were quite thorough and sometimes converted to strip. People do tend to forget that a rub down is only to spare blushes, if you use the fingers properly, you get a hint that all is not right.

" if you use the fingers properly, you get a hint that all is not right."

Agreed 100%

I always found if you bent their fingers back far enough they were always more compliant.
 
Don't know if it has been raised earlier and possibly I'm thinking out of my arrse, but the thought struck me that, given the current hostile atmosphere generated by the likes of Abbott, Lammy and Butler (from whom little or nothing has been heard about this latest murder), the strident BLM hate mongers, liberals and senior figures in the police force service itself, a junior copper on the front line (for that is what it is these days) is hardly likely to be too diligent in a search lest he is pilloried and faced with career threatening accusations for having the temerity to be correctly suspicious about what turned out to be yet another drug dealing, gun carrying scrote....in a London suburb....at 02h00.

RIP, Sgt Matiu 'Matt' Ratana.

OZ

It makes you wonder what motivates people to still want to be a copper in London, surely there are easier career paths for people
 
Without wishing to sound contrite or undermine the seriousness of the thread, old school police officers who have since gone to the great big nick in the sky, similar characters to these guys will be turning in their graves!

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Whatever happened to proper policing.

Political correctness, BAME, WOKE, Snowflakes, and people cow towing to the needs of the few at the expense of the many, and covering their own backsides is what happened to proper policing.

The world has gone mad.
In the same vein and with the deepest of sympathies to the Police Officer murdered by this lowlife scum,
But don’t forget old school Gene Genie

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Slime

LE
She may have stepped up but in my opinion the majority of police officers should be 6ft plus males with a bit about them.

I was listening to a segment on the radio yesterday regarding well built male coppers.

The segment detailed how a 6’5” tall copper armed with a rifle and pistol turned up to a shopping centre to ‘deal’ with 14 year old kids, they laughed at him and his partner and one of the kids threw a mobile phone at the tall coppers face.

The fact he was large and armed.......and, a copper didn’t make the slightest difference to 14 year olds........They already knew they were untouchable.
 

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