Cross Channel Migrant Issue

[halo_jones]

Refugee and asylum have been abused as a cover for straightforward economic migration. Perhaps the 1950s and 60s UN refugee conventions should be revisited to focus on today's realities?

Sadly many in and of Government across the west I think are either to weak or scared to face, up to that fact and thus change it, or in part are deliberately are working from within to bring the west to its knees. Sadly either are dangerous and destructive to a sustainable society. More and more ordinary people across the west see this and are becoming less tolerant of such poor governance.

I suspect many of us hear murmurings within our wider social or work circles, that enough is enough. Many are seeing that the road to hell has been paved with good intentions, and at the expense of wider stable society.

The left constantly screech about the dangers of the hard right rising, casting accusations and threats at all and sundry. Yet there own actions, deeds and words make and encourage such a rising possible.

To those of the left i say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[chuggafugga]

Sadly many in and of Government across the west I think are either to weak or scared to face, up to that fact and thus change it, or in part are deliberately are working from within to bring the west to its knees. Sadly either are dangerous and destructive to a sustainable society. More and more ordinary people across the west see this and are becoming less tolerant of such poor governance.

I suspect many of us hear murmurings within our wider social or work circles, that enough is enough. Many are seeing that the road to hell has been paved with good intentions, and at the expense of wider stable society.

The left constantly screech about the dangers of the hard right rising, casting accusations and threats at all and sundry. Yet there own actions, deeds and words make and encourage such a rising possible.

To those of the left i say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Hence why i cited many of the acts in use today are obsolete unfit for purposes, the UNHCR is abused to let refugees hop from an already safe country to one with better so called prospects than they whinge on social media that they paid 7 grand and lost their lives getting to the land of milk and honey.

The ECHR is abused to the point where I'm sure a majority of us would like to see it scrapped or more regulated to the point where if you are coming from an already safe country? **** off

So unless they have been catapulted direc from Syria through the air that's the end of the line

 

[MuddyOldEngineer]

Sadly many in and of Government across the west I think are either to weak or scared to face, up to that fact and thus change it, or in part are deliberately are working from within to bring the west to its knees. Sadly either are dangerous and destructive to a sustainable society. More and more ordinary people across the west see this and are becoming less tolerant of such poor governance.

I suspect many of us hear murmurings within our wider social or work circles, that enough is enough. Many are seeing that the road to hell has been paved with good intentions, and at the expense of wider stable society.

The left constantly screech about the dangers of the hard right rising, casting accusations and threats at all and sundry. Yet there own actions, deeds and words make and encourage such a rising possible.

To those of the left i say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

The reaction to Brexit and Trump's victory seemed to be the end of days to those who have supported progressivism. Like any ideology, without checks and balances, it eventually gets out of control

 

[halo_jones]

Most of the laws and acts today in force are more or less unfit for purpose, hence the Nationality and Borders Bill which is going through a reading on the 27th of this month and hopefully once passed will fill in loop hopes which are exploited, which is the whole idea of bringing them in.

Sadly much legislation over the last couple of decades, has been found weak or poorly drafted thus shredded in the courts, legislation is all well and good but if laws are then not enforced fully they are no laws at all.

It also does not help that some of the institutions of state also act to undermine legislation. Let us all hope that the next reading of the 'Nationality and Borders Bill' is not de-fanged or made ineffective by some in parliament.

While 'Mercy' is primarily talking about a single incident but she makes a important statement, in her conclusions.

 

[chuggafugga]

Sadly much legislation over the last couple of decades, has been found weak or poorly drafted thus shredded in the courts, legislation is all well and good but if laws are then not enforced fully they are no laws at all.

It also does not help that some of the institutions of state also act to undermine legislation. Let us all hope that the next reading of the 'Nationality and Borders Bill' is not de-fanged or made ineffective by some in parliament.

While 'Mercy' is primarily talking about a single incident but she makes a important statement, in her conclusions.

The point is, when a new act is passed, and it's in black and white the Police take their time to get more familiar with it, hence the more attention to the protests against it, people are turning out in droves because they know they will actually be effective, and they are quite specific when the legislation has been violated.

D*ckheads like Kooleberks whom likes to video outside of Police Stations and other sensitive sites knows that Police are powerless to stop him because of the tangibility of the so-called "Section 43" of the Terrorism Act which is specific

1. Section 43(1) of the Terrorism Act 2000 provides a power for a constable to stop and search a person whom he or she reasonably suspects is a terrorist, to discover whether that person has anything in their possession which may constitute evidence they are a terrorist.

Obviously once it has been established they are not and pose no threat they can continue on their wind ups, is it acceptable to allow people to video sensitive sites? It certainly isn't in India and I don't believe it is in the US either... I could be wrong, they are funny with their rights you see, sure let's go and video the Pentagon...

 

[Filthy_contract]

Sadly much legislation over the last couple of decades, has been found weak or poorly drafted thus shredded in the courts, legislation is all well and good but if laws are then not enforced fully they are no laws at all.

It also does not help that some of the institutions of state also act to undermine legislation. Let us all hope that the next reading of the 'Nationality and Borders Bill' is not de-fanged or made ineffective by some in parliament.

While 'Mercy' is primarily talking about a single incident but she makes a important statement, in her conclusions.

Which institutions of state are undermining legislation?

 

[Teeblerone]

The fine is minimal - I think it was something like £300 for each employer being underpaid. It was more profitable for a company to pay under the minimum wage and accept the consequences if caught. Very few companies were prosecuted for this anyway because it isn´t strictly enforced.

I remember back in the days of CMD´s premiership that Tesco got around paying minimum wage by paying new employees a trainees wage for an indefinite time, or by using unemployed people, and not paying them at all. There was a bit of an outcry over this, and some people stopped shopping at Tesco, but the supermarket is still trading. Pizza Hut, Superdrug and Costco have also been criticized for underpaying staff, but haven´t been prosecuted.

And the reprehensible counting of tips as wages

 

[Teeblerone]

It's all how you sell it.

"Artisan Persian Barbers of Shoreditch" has a nice ring to it.

And quality 'Persian Rugs' Guv'nor

 

[halo_jones]

The reaction to Brexit and Trump's victory seemed to be the end of days to those who have supported progressivism. Like any ideology, without checks and balances, it eventually gets out of control

Indeed one of the fundamental flaws I have always found with those of the 'left, progressives, socialists etc' is they consider the right to be evil, where as most of the right just think their political ideas are at best naive and simplistic, at worst they stink.

As you say though, across that ideology it has within in it a clockwork failure rate. As it spirals out of control sadly almost always with some added firing squads and starvation. Sad that some people still fall for it regardless, they tend to be predominately the useful idiots that are in all societies.

 

[chuggafugga]

Hence why i cited many of the acts in use today are obsolete unfit for purposes, the UNHCR is abused to let refugees hop from an already safe country to one with better so called prospects than they whinge on social media that they paid 7 grand and lost their lives getting to the land of milk and honey.

The ECHR is abused to the point where I'm sure a majority of us would like to see it scrapped or more regulated to the point where if you are coming from an already safe country? **** off

So unless they have been catapulted direc from Syria through the air that's the end of the line

Talking about the UNHCR, there were 300 Afghan female refugees protesting in India in September 2021 that they be allowed to work... err... didn't they know that India is not a signatory of the UNHCR mandates?

Also in India they are not a big fan of Muslims so it um... didn't get far.

The main thing to the India court was the breach of covid social distancing.

So basically they protested, wasted their time.

We could learn a thing or 2 from my Asian compadres.

 

[par avion]

Sadly much legislation over the last couple of decades, has been found weak or poorly drafted thus shredded in the courts, legislation is all well and good but if laws are then not enforced fully they are no laws at all.

A lot of the problems were down to the Blair era (no suprise there then). There was a huge increase in laws drafted by the Labour Government. Blair thought that if he introduced a law, that was it, problem solved. The problem was he didn't think about how most of them could be enforced by the police. Half of them, the police, CPS and courts weren't even aware of.

It was all down to Blairs obsession with 'eye catching initiatives associated with himself.

 

[endure]

A lot of the problems were down to the Blair era (no suprise there then). There was a huge increase in laws drafted by the Labour Government. Blair thought that if he introduced a law, that was it, problem solved. The problem was he didn't think about how most of them could be enforced by the police. Half of them, the police, CPS and courts weren't even aware of.

It was all down to Blairs obsession with 'eye catching initiatives associated with himself.

It was the same with the NHS. He decided that GPs would be punished if patients had to wait more than 48 hours for an appointment.

The cannier GPs just opened up 48 hour appointment diaries.

 

[halo_jones]

A lot of the problems were down to the Blair era (no suprise there then). There was a huge increase in laws drafted by the Labour Government. Blair thought that if he introduced a law, that was it, problem solved. The problem was he didn't think about how most of them could be enforced by the police. Half of them, the police, CPS and courts weren't even aware of.

It was all down to Blairs obsession with 'eye catching initiatives associated with himself.

I have little doubt that Blair knew full well what he was doing, much of the present migration crisis has roots in his intentions. Sadly as you have mentioned in other threads the senior tiers of the police force was at time complicit, with allowing Blair's folies as did the CPS and other institutions of governance.

What makes it worse is that the conservatives in government have done little to nothing to repeal bad legislation, particularly once they where were free of being in coalition with the risible liberal democrats. if the government do not consider changing tack and return to being conservative in ideology asap, then it sadly is going to get worse.

God forbid at what the labour party could do regarding controlling legal or illegal migration

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[MuddyOldEngineer]

I have little doubt that Blair knew full well what he was doing, much of the present migration crisis has roots in his intentions. Sadly as you have mentioned in other threads the senior tiers of the police force was at time complicit, with allowing Blair's folies as did the CPS and other institutions of governance.

What makes it worse is that the conservatives in government have done little to nothing to repeal bad legislation, particularly once they where were free of being in coalition with the risible liberal democrats. if the government do not consider changing tack and return to being conservative in ideology asap, then it sadly is going to get worse.

God forbid at what the labour party could do regarding controlling legal or illegal migration

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Irrelevant of party, this should be put up in every MPs constituency office -
“You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.” - Ayn Rand

 

[aHappyTeddyBear]

It’s not rocket science. Give them the legally required minimum, treat them humanely, but make it uncomfortable and mind-numbingly boring. If they are getting accommodation, free food and medical attention why on god’s earth are we giving then £40 a week to spend on beer and fags?

Just how entitled are they?

This has been tried already, they burned the barracks down in Cheriton. The media spin it all as "accommodation not fit for human habitation" inspite of soldiers using it for decades without m̶u̶c̶h̶ complaint.

The only way to deal with this nonsense is to stop pretending that we cant or wont discriminate against anyone at all for any reason. People should be evaluated based on how well they will fit in and benefit our society for the benefit of the people who live here (us).

We can take the hard workers, the tradesmen (and women) if they show the potential to fit in among us instead of simply setting up an islamic enclave instead. By far the larger problem is the legal immigration that has occurred over the past 30 years, half of Pakistan moved here and made no effort at all to fit in and now they are here and settled in such large numbers, they don't need to try to fit in, they can simply elect their own councillors and MP's took ensure that they are left alone to do whatever they want.

 

[chuggafugga]

This has been tried already, they burned the barracks down in Cheriton. The media spin it all as "accommodation not fit for human habitation" inspite of soldiers using it for decades without m̶u̶c̶h̶ complaint.

The only way to deal with this nonsense is to stop pretending that we cant or wont discriminate against anyone at all for any reason. People should be evaluated based on how well they will fit in and benefit our society for the benefit of the people who live here (us).

We can take the hard workers, the tradesmen (and women) if they show the potential to fit in among us instead of simply setting up an islamic enclave instead. By far the larger problem is the legal immigration that has occurred over the past 30 years, half of Pakistan moved here and made no effort at all to fit in and now they are here and settled in such large numbers, they don't need to try to fit in, they can simply elect their own councillors and MP's took ensure that they are left alone to do whatever they want.

Hey hey HEY!!! What about India!?

 

[medwaymud]

A lot of the problems were down to the Blair era (no suprise there then). There was a huge increase in laws drafted by the Labour Government. Blair thought that if he introduced a law, that was it, problem solved. The problem was he didn't think about how most of them could be enforced by the police. Half of them, the police, CPS and courts weren't even aware of.

It was all down to Blairs obsession with 'eye catching initiatives associated with himself.

You give Blair too much goodwill credit, I think.

He knew exactly which direction he wanted this country to go and Cherie was pulling in the same direction.

It was all about trying to lure us to transfer idealogical loyalty to their New World Order.

He will die a wealthy, discredited ultimate failure - loathed by those who had to experience him.

I hope he chokes on his gold.

 

[medwaymud]

Sadly much legislation over the last couple of decades, has been found weak or poorly drafted thus shredded in the courts, legislation is all well and good but if laws are then not enforced fully they are no laws at all.

It also does not help that some of the institutions of state also act to undermine legislation. Let us all hope that the next reading of the 'Nationality and Borders Bill' is not de-fanged or made ineffective by some in parliament.

While 'Mercy' is primarily talking about a single incident but she makes a important statement, in her conclusions.

She is talking common sense.

Why has common sense been overpowered by Law ?

 

[par avion]

You give Blair too much goodwill credit, I think.

He knew exactly which direction he wanted this country to go and Cherie was pulling in the same direction.

It was all about trying to lure us to transfer idealogical loyalty to their New World Order.

He will die a wealthy, discredited ultimate failure - loathed by those who had to experience him.

I hope he chokes on his gold.

So you don't think he will get a state funeral like the blessed Margaret then?

 

[LouisetheSleaz]

Don't care. So long as it's a funeral. Even better if he's not dead yet.