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Cross Channel Migrant Issue

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As ever it seems we are being lied to by people with a vested interest...

SOLAS specifically excludes warships...


Chapter V Application

"Regulation 1 - Application 1. Unless expressly provided otherwise, this chapter shall apply to all ships on all voyages except: .

1. warships, naval auxiliaries and other ships owned or operated by a Contracting Government and used only on Government non-commercial service;"

UNCLOS too...


"Article 32 Immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes With such exceptions as are contained in subsection A and in articles 30 and 31, nothing in this Convention affects the immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes."
 
Why is it their problem - I imagine the UK police wouldn’t be too alacritous if people were trying to leave this country.
They are encouraging people with no experience of boat handling to cross one of the worlds busiest sea lanes with inadequate kit and overcrowded boats? Plus they are allowing blatant people trafficking to go on under their noses. Is France a third-world country now?
 
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If the [..]RN leadership is so weak that they can't perform their duty then there has to be consequences for that.

Now call me naive but I expect that their duty comes first. And their duty is to protect our shores.
A pretty asinine posting. As I've explained before numerous times but for the avoidance of doubt, Border Control and Migrancy issues are a Border Force issue. A Gov department can request support from the RN but there will be significant legal and reputational issues for the RN were it be embroiled in this.

Given JMSC's role in coordinating UK Maritime Security in the EEZ, you'd have hoped the leadership would be exerted by it's governing body which is chaired by DfT at the moment.

This is when the cross Whitehall groups should step up or No10 and the Cabinet Office can see them for what they are and demand reform.
 
So how does nobody notice that armada being taken to the coast
It takes cars or vans to pull a trailer with those boats on.
Unless the illegals are doing a p company style log race with a boat.

We can launch a Typhoon from Cyprus and they can stick a missile through a pickup truck in Syria at night.
Yet we have no way of tracking hundreds of boats arriving at a short stretch of coast

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nothing Much moves in the Channel without us noticing it.
pee against a tree across the Channel and the Gendarmes will notice it
 
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Why is it their problem - I imagine the UK police wouldn’t be too alacritous if people were trying to leave this country.

We do have an agreement with France that they will seek to deter and prevent such activities to cease the exploitation of people and to prevent potential SOLAS incident.

The Treaty of Sandhurst is worth a read to explain in broad terms what was set in train in 2018 (and before), since then we've spent a lot of money equipping French authorities to help tackle this.
 
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They are encouraging people with no experience of boat handling to cross one of the worlds busiest sea lanes with inadequate kit and overcrowded boats? Plus they are allowing blatant people trafficking to go on under their noses. Is France a third-world country now?
They are far from encouraging it, that is but your perception.
 
As ever it seems we are being lied to by people with a vested interest...

SOLAS specifically excludes warships...


Chapter V Application

"Regulation 1 - Application 1. Unless expressly provided otherwise, this chapter shall apply to all ships on all voyages except: .

1. warships, naval auxiliaries and other ships owned or operated by a Contracting Government and used only on Government non-commercial service;"

UNCLOS too...


"Article 32 Immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes With such exceptions as are contained in subsection A and in articles 30 and 31, nothing in this Convention affects the immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes."



sigh....


” warships, naval auxiliaries and other ships owned or operated by a Contracting Government and used only on Government non-commercial service”

if they are deployed to assist the civil agencies, they are not being warry warships engaged in warry activities and exempt from the regulations.

BTW, you ARE aware out auxiliaries are manned by Civilian Merchant seamen and fully under civil maritime law?
 

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LE
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They are far from encouraging it, that is but your perception.

Quite.

It appears to be your job to run interference for the modern slave trade.
 

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LE
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if they are deployed to assist the civil agencies, they are not being warry warships being warry and exempt from the regulations.

A warship is a warship as defined in both of those documents.

Oh and Government non commercial service as above. So that include border force cutters etc.

You and your bumchums have been caught lying again....
 

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Note: this is "Work-in-Progress", and will "gestate" on my hard-drive for a while, before eventually it is submitted. This is deliberately intended to be a "POLITICALLY CORRECT FREE ZONE".

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Distribution:
Parliamentary sub committee . . .

Copies:
HRH The Princess Royal, Patron of Save the Children.
Rt Hon Priti Patel, Home Secretary.
Dan O'Mahoney, Clandestine Channel Threat Commander.

Information:
Rt Hon Sir Edward Leigh MP

Following the announcement of the sub-committee during the first week of August 2020, we were all fortunate enough to hear that same week, from the intellectual colossus of the former Labour Front Bench. She was venting her anguish that the channel crossings, are merely a symptom of a much wider, profound, malaise, found throughout black Africa, the middle East, and other Muslim countries.

For once . . . we should be grateful that she was prepared to speak that which is unmentionable to most other commentators . . . that, the much wider, profound, malaise, found throughout black Africa, the middle East, and other Muslim countries . . . is THE RESULT OF the irresponsible, indiscriminate, behaviour of over-breeding (of ALL species - including humans) . . . when the natural, economic, financial, personal, and ecological resources are unable to sustain such behaviour.

Of course, we then see pitiful scenes of starving children on our screens EVERY YEAR.

There is a fundamental truth . . . which is reiterated . . . that there is NO shortage of food in the world. There is NO shortage of water in the world. There IS an OVER population - where the resources are INSUFFICIENT to sustain THAT population.

I was in the habit of sending a condom EVERY WEEK, address to the CEO of,

“STOP SAVE the CHILDREN”.

Eventually, I did receive a platitudinous response, that they were intent of continuing to “educate” the (young) females of such communities. The CEO of the organisation, the whole corporate structure, and UNFORTUNATELY the Royal Patron of the organisation . . . all seem willing, disposed towards, and prepared to ignore the empirical evidence – screaming at them from our screens, EVERY YEAR – that this policy IS NOT WORKIING.

I am now in my seventies . . . as is the Royal Patron of the organisation mentioned above. For the whole of our lifetimes, there has been hunger and starvation over vast tracts of this small, delicate planet, with its limited, finite, natural recourses. We do not know what “Nanny” might have advised, but in my family household, we were told to clean-our-plate, and think about the starving in China/India.

That such hunger and starvation over vast tracts of this small, delicate planet, HAS BEEN REPORTED over the last seventy years, does NOT - of course - disguise the evidence that such a brutal - negative - form of population control, has been around since the dawn of creation, throughout all animal (and vegetative) species . . . not just humans.

CONCLUSION

The term of reference of the sub-committee are so wide, that they seem - at first - to be deliberately designed to ensure no meaningful, or practical, recommendations could EVER be drawn from the members’ deliberations, of the evidence presented to them.

This might also be concluded from the composition of the sub-committee, comprising as it does, some well-meaning individuals . . . but, who are totally impractical, and disposed to IGNORE THE CAUSES, and disposed to “wring-their-hands” in anguish, as they ruminate and pontificate about the symptoms.

This might also be concluded from the composition of the sub-committee, comprising as it does, some pragmatic individuals . . . but whose logical, no-nonsense, practical conclusions, will INEVITABLY be criticised as being racist, discriminatory, racist, colonialist, fascist, racist, prejudice, and (again) racist!!

It is hoped that the contents of the above - and of the attached submission - will all be accepted in the positive and constructive manner in which it was originally written, and in which they - and all the above - are now submitted to the sub-committee.

If it would be helpful, I am prepared to (travel, and) explain further all of the above.

STAY SAFE.


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The contents of the "attached submission", will be a copy of the letter (attached) below.The letter itself, is a compilation of thoughts/suggestions already "reviewed-by-my-peers" on ARRSE; and amended if/where necessary; dated and sent on Saturday 14 March 2020, to No10, No11, FCO, DfID, and my MP . . . .



Also posted on the older "European Migrant" thread
Your first paragraph might care to name which Colossus of the Labour Front Bench, otherwise it's pretty meaningless.
 
A warship is a warship as defined in both of those documents.

Oh and Government non commercial service as above. So that include border force cutters etc.

You and your bumchums have been caught lying again....

really?

border force cutters operate outside SOLAS and UNCLOS?
 
As ever it seems we are being lied to by people with a vested interest...

SOLAS specifically excludes warships...


Chapter V Application

"Regulation 1 - Application 1. Unless expressly provided otherwise, this chapter shall apply to all ships on all voyages except: .

1. warships, naval auxiliaries and other ships owned or operated by a Contracting Government and used only on Government non-commercial service;"

UNCLOS too...


"Article 32 Immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes With such exceptions as are contained in subsection A and in articles 30 and 31, nothing in this Convention affects the immunities of warships and other government ships operated for non-commercial purposes."
GOOD!! Thank you ;)

At times, some others do waste their time, and that of the rest of us :( .
 

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GCM
GOOD!! Thank you ;)

At times, some others do waste their time, and that of the rest of us :( .

Might as well close the thread then now that someone with no apparent sea going experience has found something you agree with.

No need to take into account the experience and expertise of those who do/did it as their day job ;-)
 
They are far from encouraging it, that is but your perception.
The French Authorities ARE encouraging the trafficking, by their inaction :( .
 
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The French Authorities ARE encouraging the trafficking, by their inaction :( .

That is your perception, I however, see actions with the Gendarmerie and Prefect Maritime. It's a huge coast line to police and they have the same resource issues as we do.
 

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really?

border force cutters operate outside SOLAS and UNCLOS?

Lol read your own posts you cuck.

Various dodgy characters with an agenda, probaly financial but who's to say, you included, telling us that international law forced us to give them a taxi service.

And you are wrong.
 
Might as well close the thread then now that someone with no apparent sea going experience has found something you agree with.

No need to take into account the experience and expertise of those who do/did it as their day job ;-)
The above post includes/quotes chapter-and-verse, the application of SOLAS, with regard to Government ships.

With which of that content do you disagree?
 

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Might as well close the thread then now that someone with no apparent sea going experience has found something you agree with.

No need to take into account the experience and expertise of those who do/did it as their day job ;-)

Says someone quoting international law that doesn't even apply.

Cucks will cuck...
 

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