Cross Channel Migrant Issue

[undervalued]

That's the bit that always so surreal, Fascism and Marxism are closer than people want to admit

Must be awfully confusing for The Labour Party, the US Democratic Party, Antifa, BLM & the like.

 

[lokiuk]

Must be awfully confusing for The Labour Party, the US Democratic Party, Antifa, BLM & the like.

Especially those fascists that call themselves antifascists (No names this is CA)

 

[Listy]

As a follow on to my previous rant about this not fit for purpose and abused convention

UN urges UK to restart resettlement of refugees after family drowns in Channel

Scheme designed to resettle about 5,000 refugees a year is currently suspended due to pandemic

www.theguardian.com

The resettlement scheme referred to is the scheme whereby the UK takes refugees from various official refugee camps around the world on a yearly basis.

I am now getting to the stage, where I would like to see, on National TV, ( so that everyone gets the message at the same time, with no ambiguity ) someone punching the likes of Rossella Pagliuchi-Lor, until they have explained and understood the difference between Refugees from official Refugee camps and Illegal Immigrants paying people smugglers to smuggle them over the channel from safe Countries.

ETA

The family that died above, drowned 2 miles off the French Coast, but according to some numbnuts at the UN, its the UK's fault and the UK must do more - Work that one out.

The obvious answer is to publicly say "I'm sorry I didn't realise that France was a war torn hellhole and failed state with appalling human rights record, who can not look after their own population... Is this what you are claiming?"

 

[Dafty duck]

Some gold here from @Portree Kid and @Listy

Its the start of a very good manifesto and someone should document this, perhaps an owner for each of the Arrse Manifesto's:

1. Benefits
2. Law
3. Health Services
4. Military
5. Immigration

In about a year we can interview for a leader to present the manifesto ready to start attacking the flanks of local government ready for the big push on the HoC.

1. None, all money from the state to be recompensed by work within the community (okay, I'll maybe allow pensions).
2. Robust, designed to maintain integrity of the nation state and actually punish criminals.
3. Yes (I'm a slight socialist in the regard I feel access to healthcare is a human right).
4. Robust and funded.
5. Points/skill based only. Re low paid unskilled jobs, see point 1.

 

[ThunderBox]

3. Yes (I'm a slight socialist in the regard I feel access to healthcare is a human right).

I agree to an extent, I do like the status here in Australia that if you can afford it you should contribute more and therefore get a better service whilst still keeping a society safety net.

The bit I dont like is a human right, it needs boundaries to prevent medical tourism.

I have said it before, item 12 of Healthcare or Item 2 of Immigration and Travel, access to the United Kingdom requires either a. a reciprocal healthcare system in place with a government who can provide the same services at the same price or b. a UK approved and based Health Insurance certificate prior to boarding an aircraft. The boarding country being held accountable for any costs with failure to comply and sanctions to recover the costs.

Eg. France allow Mohammed bin Sick to travel to the UK via the Chanel and it receives treatment for a mild drowning, UK imposes a $30,000 fine and the closure of fishing waters until its paid.

 

[halo_jones]

The obvious answer is to publicly say "I'm sorry I didn't realise that France was a war torn hellhole and failed state with appalling human rights record, who can not look after their own population... Is this what you are claiming?"

The UN as I have said before is past its use by date. As with all transnational organisations it has been corrupted to serve its own interests...

 

[MuddyOldEngineer]

The UN as I have said before is past its use by date. As with all transnational organisations it has been corrupted to serve its own interests...

As an organisation it certainly needs to be revisited. In many respects the world it was designed to cater for does not exist anymore.

 

[NSP]

Some gold here from @Portree Kid and @Listy

Its the start of a very good manifesto and someone should document this, perhaps an owner for each of the Arrse Manifesto's:

1. Benefits
2. Law
3. Health Services
4. Military
5. Immigration

In about a year we can interview for a leader to present the manifesto ready to start attacking the flanks of local government ready for the big push on the HoC.

Will this new political venture be called The ArRSe Party, then? A real cake and arse party...

 

[lokiuk]

Will this new political venture be called The ArRSe Party, then? A real cake and arse party...

@Brotherton Lad your time has come

 

[Filthy_contract]

The 1st thing that needs to be done is that this '' International Law '' needs to be identified and scrutinised.

S'funny, the Aussies had no qualms, despite some imaginary '' International Law '' interdicting boats and towing them to some scraggy island.

If it's good enough for the Aussies to break International Law - It's ******* good enough for me, and I would suggest millions upon millions of other like minded citizens.

International constitutional law consists of two principal elements:

• Treaty law - whereby states agree to mutual courses of action and then embody these actions into municipal ('domestic') law through the ratification process. A Treaty includes international agreements, memoranda and conventions between states.
• Rights and obligations to adhere to peremptory norms of behaviour (eg:regarding slavery, genocide, torture). Some of these norms have emerged from treaty law (eg 'LOAC') whereby treaties (Hague Convention, Geneva Conventions etc) have established a code of behaviour that is regarded universal in application (erga omnes). This means the defence of 'we are not signatories to the Geneva IV protocols' carries no weight, along with the Nuremberg defence of 'following orders' even if those orders are illegal under peremptory norms.

 

[Portree Kid]

International constitutional law consists of two principal elements:

• Treaty law - whereby states agree to mutual courses of action and then embody these actions into municipal ('domestic') law through the ratification process. A Treaty includes international agreements, memoranda and conventions between states.
• Rights and obligations to adhere to peremptory norms of behaviour (eg:regarding slavery, genocide, torture). Some of these norms have emerged from treaty law (eg 'LOAC') whereby treaties (Hague Convention, Geneva Conventions etc) have established a code of behaviour that is regarded universal in application (erga omnes). This means the defence of 'we are not signatories to the Geneva IV protocols' carries no weight, along with the Nuremberg defence of 'following orders' even if those orders are illegal under peremptory norms.

That's brilliant - Really, I'm impressed

How does any of it help the UK's cross channel migrant issue ?

 

[vvaannmmaann]

That's brilliant - Really, I'm impressed

How does any of it help the UK's cross channel migrant issue ?

You raised the subject.

 

[Portree Kid]

You raised the subject.

No, I didnt

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[vvaannmmaann]

The 1st thing that needs to be done is that this '' International Law '' needs to be identified and scrutinised.

Your post #2,675.

 

[Portree Kid]

Your post #2,675.

That's correct

Now go and read a little bit further back and then come back tell me which International Law ( that is often mentioned in the media, but bizarrely enough is never actually quoted ) is being broken by interdicting boats full of Illegal Immigrants and towing / escorting them to an island away from the intended mainland.

I wont hold my breath awaiting an answer.

 

[halo_jones]

As an organisation it certainly needs to be revisited. In many respects the world it was designed to cater for does not exist anymore.

Indeed, you hit the nail on its head, and with a fundamental point. That is reflected across many issues that challenge "The World" has changed far faster than any transnational let alone nation state, has been able too prepared for.

While some may correctly point out that the history of mankind is ever thus, and that technology will always be ahead of the game, and society for good or ill reactive. Frankly seems used more as an excuse to not change things, or too make changes at a glacial pace.

International Law, is in principle a good thing that it, sadly now seems to be used only when it suits, a political agenda, and an agenda decided not by nation states but rather transnational organisations.

Personally I would chin off the UN, in totality while that may be considered throwing the baby out with the bath water, the baby has in fact drowned in the bath water, in many cases literally... If we are to blame anyone for the deaths caused by illegal migration, then its down to the UN's own bloating of asylum and migrations policies, that are predicated on western nation states being coerced to open the borders.

The west has poured billions over the decades into failing nations, to try to address the unsustainable population growth, in many of these failing nations and have achieved the sum total of sweet fcuk all. Yet these nations continue to grow there populations. Spaff and curtains anyone.

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[vvaannmmaann]

That's correct

Now go and read a little bit further back and then come back tell me which International Law ( that is often mentioned in the media, but bizarrely enough is never actually quoted ) is being broken by interdicting boats full of Illegal Immigrants and towing / escorting them to an island away from the intended mainland.

I wont hold my breath awaiting an answer.

You asked a question. You got an answer.
But please keep holding your breath.

 

[Portree Kid]

You asked a question. You got an answer.

Sure, point out where I asked for the component parts of International law

But please keep holding your breath.

Is that you wishing me dead perchance ?

 

[Filthy_contract]

That's brilliant - Really, I'm impressed

How does any of it help the UK's cross channel migrant issue ?

It means you can understand what is covered by statute (treaty) and what is by consent (common practice) - following on your comments about 'which International Law'.

 

[vinniethemanxcat]

The world is in my opinion at least a 100 times too overpopulated.

And the worst offenders are the twats who want to invade us, and carry on the madness.