Yes please move this thread to Multinational HQ."This would fit in nicely in the Multinational HQ. The brits were kind enough to give us our own section of the website to discuss such issues"
blue_sophist said:Dear friends over there ....
The danger of this thread is that people will see America as "One Nation, united ...etc" whereas, as you well know, Bostonians as as different from Arkies as Brits are from Chinese.
You are more regionally-different than a different thing. Wherever I go in your glorious country, you are "different". You have regional characteristics, politics and perspectives. Anyone stupid enouth to put all Americans under "one heading" is an idiot.
The weekend before last, She and I stayed in a Bed & Breakfast in Yorkshire. Nice, if expensive ... but that's not the point. The brochure, the web-site all said something about "Her", who admitted she was from the USA. And we were right ... Californian.
Straight after Easter, we're heading for VA for 3 weeks ... as we do every year. Different people, different values, different styles ... especially as you get closer to DC.
The problem with the World view of the USA is not the people ... it's the way it is presented by your Media and Government, who have to generate 24-hour noise on 3000 TV channels across 5 time zones [and indeed for the rest of the World, not that they count]. As a result you get meaningless dribble being transmitted as "The Voice of America", which I personally know it isn't.
On this occasion, my recommendation is "Kill the Messenger
They do if you listen to inane ranting of such prominent liberals such as Alec Baldwin, Rosie, Michael Moore, Terry McAwful, Howard Dean, Sen. Murtha, etc....crabtastic said:Crude, oversimplified, caracatured nonsense. If a liberal was to take the same approach, they'd be portraying all conservatives as neo-nazis.
Whilst that is a fair point I think most people are intelligent enough to know that in pretty well every nation on earth there is a range of opinion about all manner of things.The danger of this thread is that people will see America as "One Nation, united ...etc" whereas, as you well know, Bostonians as as different from Arkies as Brits are from Chinese.
First of all, fcuk Michael Moore and Rosie.ctauch said:They do if you listen to inane ranting of such prominent liberals such as Alec Baldwin, Rosie, Michael Moore, Terry McAwful, Howard Dean, Sen. Murtha, etc....crabtastic said:Crude, oversimplified, caracatured nonsense. If a liberal was to take the same approach, they'd be portraying all conservatives as neo-nazis.
Difference is this was said infront of the Heritage Foundation and not daily in the national print and on TV for a larger audience to see.
PS this is a response to your analysis of the video and is not intended to be a critic on what was said in the video.
That's why I swore I would never join any political party. I also do not think of myself as liberal or conservative, but rather as me. People can decide for themselves whether I'm liberal or conservative. I'm more concerned about deciding what I believe than what it makes me.blue_sophist said:You guys have it more complicated, in that the difference between Republicans and Democrats is wafer thin.
Bit like Labour Bliar and the Conservatives, after he stole Conservative values and called them Labour values. But that will / may / should change.
We all have our views [some strongly held] but very few are amenable to "convenient labels", which is what the Media want so that overpaid journos don't have to think too much. Just feed a mash of "opinions" to channel KFC-K and the "Hog Market Weekly" and call it "analysis" ... Thousands will believe it.
At least the Washington Post is .... available on line.
No thanks I would rather soak mine in lighter fluid and set it ablaze. You have at the gopping munters.crabtastic said:First of all, fcuk Michael Moore and Rosie.
I have dropped out of ALL political parties, am now independent. My beliefs and desired direction for this country continue to fall squarely in the "conservative" realm of US political ideology as established by Reagan. Sadly, the Republican party has abandoned me and as such I abandoned it.crabtastic said:Secondly, why is it that Conservatives seem to think that they are the ones under attack, when until 3 months ago, they were the ones in charge?
He has a valid point though, liberals tend to try and blur the lines of right and wrong. Case in point, there is very little condemnation in the US media over the treatment of the 15 RN and RM currently held by President Tom of Iran. Few refer to them as hostages and even fewer are screaming violation of the Geneva Convention while playing the video feed from Iran of them saying the US and UK need to leave Iraq....this from the same media outlets that wanted blood in the form admissions of wrong doing by high level US officials over Abu Ghrab and their jobs as well.crabtastic said:Thirdly I take issue with his idea that his position is based upon "rationality and morality" and that morality is absolute. Morality is a social construct, pure and simple and the idea that something is good because it is American is simply tautological. As for the idea that morality is fixed and absolute:
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